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Europe Is Under Siege

20 points by mpbart 10mo ago

markus_zhang 10mo ago
I’m sorry but Europe is its own menace. Maybe stop blaming others or relying on others and act like an adult.
- cjbenedikt 10mo ago
  You speak from a position of authority, of course. Not sure who in your view Europe is blaming. I guess, all was well as long as Europe bought US fighter jets. Now that they "grow up" and realize they may be better off with European ones ( Gripen) plus keeping a lid on US social media companies - that doesn't go done all too well. Besides, German company Rheinmetall is biggest supplier of ammunition to Ukraine. https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/stories/2023/rheinmetall-a-powerful-partner-at-ukraine-side https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/stories/2023/rheinmetal.... So much so that Moscow attempted to assassinate its CEO.https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-tried-assassinate-ceo-arms-firm-sending-weapons-ukraine-cnn-reports-2024-07-11/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-tried-assassinat... Pretty adult all that, no?
clickety_clack 10mo ago
“Abandoned by America”? Every European I know walks around with a diatribe about the US wound up in their heads. Give them a little push on the topic and they’ll talk for hours.
- general1465 9mo ago
  Noah is living in USA, so maybe he thinks that Europe has some great love for USA.
  - jopsen 9mo ago
    Europe does have a great love for the US! We love all things American. Sure, we don't agree or understand the crazy things you do. But neither does the other half of Americans ;) Many European countries joined various more less foolish American wars the past two decades. Yes, many Europeans love to point out what's wrong with America. Because we think you could do so much better. But most of us, speak the language, many fluently, and watch more American TV than native. And watching entertainment from other European countries is the exception, one we rarely make. I follow politics in my country, and the US, I barely know how French or German governments work. I am extremely conflicted about how to respond to the current US administration. I would like us to fight back, but I can't help but hope we outlive the current administration and things can go back to normal. If we are to talk back, I'm tempted to suggest drop conventional forces and just go for nukes. If we have nukes, the US can't refuse to help us if attacked :D Also the US umbrella is gone, and I wouldn't trust any other umbrella -- not even a European one.
- couscouspie 9mo ago
  I was also baffled how the author completely fails to realize, that the US didn't just abandon Europe, but is actively exploiting and working on undermining it.
wavemode 10mo ago
> Europe is also going to have to change its political mindset. Lavish pensions and other elements of Europe’s social model are going to have to be temporarily curbed to help give Europe the fiscal space and physical resources to fight off its enemies. All nuclear plants need to be restarted, and Europe should build more nuclear, ignoring “green” parties and environmental activists who irrationally hate nuclear power. Europe needs to reform its land-use regulation to require greater construction of solar and wind power. And Europe is going to have to back off of its aggressive regulation of AI software, in order to produce cutting-edge autonomous weaponry. Is there a Make Europe Great Again (MEGA) movement? This guy would make a great spokesperson for them.
- cjbenedikt 9mo ago
  "And Europe is going to have to back off of its aggressive regulation of AI software, in order to produce cutting-edge autonomous weaponry." Ever heard of Helsing https://helsing.ai/ https://helsing.ai/ or Quantum Systems https://quantum-systems.com/ https://quantum-systems.com/? Just two examples. There are more.
  - miohtama 9mo ago
    > Ever heard of Helsing No. And that's part of the problem.
    - cjbenedikt 9mo ago
      Why is that a problem? They're doing just fine without you having heard of them.The ones who need to know seem to know. Just adding www.euclid.ai and www.dunia.ai as two more examples apparently not affected by "aggressive EU ai regulation".
      - disgruntledphd2 9mo ago
        And clearly the author hasn't read the AI act, where there are explicit carve-outs for security and defence applications (as there are in basically every EU law).
phendrenad2 9mo ago
I like to challenge myself to TL;DR these things: * The Deluge: 17th century double invasion of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth by Sweden + Russia. * America has lost faith in Europe. Cold war is over, administration doesn't value European trade. * American right is racist and no longer cares about democracy. * Russia plans to invade Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, and Moldova. Alleges that China is helping. * Europe is facing another "deluge" because it's under attack on two fronts. * Solutions: reindustrialize, remilitarize, cut pensions, befriend India. Did I miss anything?
general1465 9mo ago
> Europe is also going to have to change its political mindset. Lavish pensions and other elements of Europe’s social model are going to have to be temporarily curbed to help give Europe the fiscal space and physical resources to fight off its enemies. Never going to happen. Nobody has balls to oppose pensioners, because they are a massive voting block and effectively deciding elections. Europe is not a country for young people.
- toomuchtodo 9mo ago
  And the US is for young people? Europe is for citizens, the US is an exploitation engine for consumers. https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_the_us_is_destroying_young_people_s_future https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_the_us_is_destr... (Doesn’t touch on unaffordable housing prices, social security benefits being cut 20% in a decade when the “trust fund” is exhausted, lack of opportunity and living wages, etc in the US)
g8oz 9mo ago
This guy is so overrated. His essays read like those of a well read stoner doing free association.
pzo 9mo ago
> If they then defeat Poland, they will enslave the Poles and send them to fight against the next European target, and so on. I think the author completely don't know history of Poland and haven't even spoken to any Poles.
amai 9mo ago
> Americans no longer feel threatened by Russia. Until Russia threatens Americans with nuclear weapons, which the russian government does basically every week. > All nuclear plants need to be restarted And where do they get their uranium from? From Russia? That doesn’t make sense. The article is a strange mix of reasonable goals for Europe and completely wrong statements.

20 points by mpbart 10mo ago

markus_zhang 10mo ago

I’m sorry but Europe is its own menace. Maybe stop blaming others or relying on others and act like an adult.

cjbenedikt 10mo ago
You speak from a position of authority, of course. Not sure who in your view Europe is blaming. I guess, all was well as long as Europe bought US fighter jets. Now that they "grow up" and realize they may be better off with European ones ( Gripen) plus keeping a lid on US social media companies - that doesn't go done all too well. Besides, German company Rheinmetall is biggest supplier of ammunition to Ukraine. https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/stories/2023/rheinmetall-a-powerful-partner-at-ukraine-side https://www.rheinmetall.com/en/media/stories/2023/rheinmetal.... So much so that Moscow attempted to assassinate its CEO.https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-tried-assassinate-ceo-arms-firm-sending-weapons-ukraine-cnn-reports-2024-07-11/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-tried-assassinat... Pretty adult all that, no?

clickety_clack 10mo ago

“Abandoned by America”? Every European I know walks around with a diatribe about the US wound up in their heads. Give them a little push on the topic and they’ll talk for hours.

general1465 9mo ago
Noah is living in USA, so maybe he thinks that Europe has some great love for USA.
- jopsen 9mo ago
  Europe does have a great love for the US! We love all things American. Sure, we don't agree or understand the crazy things you do. But neither does the other half of Americans ;) Many European countries joined various more less foolish American wars the past two decades. Yes, many Europeans love to point out what's wrong with America. Because we think you could do so much better. But most of us, speak the language, many fluently, and watch more American TV than native. And watching entertainment from other European countries is the exception, one we rarely make. I follow politics in my country, and the US, I barely know how French or German governments work. I am extremely conflicted about how to respond to the current US administration. I would like us to fight back, but I can't help but hope we outlive the current administration and things can go back to normal. If we are to talk back, I'm tempted to suggest drop conventional forces and just go for nukes. If we have nukes, the US can't refuse to help us if attacked :D Also the US umbrella is gone, and I wouldn't trust any other umbrella -- not even a European one.
couscouspie 9mo ago
I was also baffled how the author completely fails to realize, that the US didn't just abandon Europe, but is actively exploiting and working on undermining it.

wavemode 10mo ago

> Europe is also going to have to change its political mindset. Lavish pensions and other elements of Europe’s social model are going to have to be temporarily curbed to help give Europe the fiscal space and physical resources to fight off its enemies. All nuclear plants need to be restarted, and Europe should build more nuclear, ignoring “green” parties and environmental activists who irrationally hate nuclear power. Europe needs to reform its land-use regulation to require greater construction of solar and wind power. And Europe is going to have to back off of its aggressive regulation of AI software, in order to produce cutting-edge autonomous weaponry. Is there a Make Europe Great Again (MEGA) movement? This guy would make a great spokesperson for them.

cjbenedikt 9mo ago
"And Europe is going to have to back off of its aggressive regulation of AI software, in order to produce cutting-edge autonomous weaponry." Ever heard of Helsing https://helsing.ai/ https://helsing.ai/ or Quantum Systems https://quantum-systems.com/ https://quantum-systems.com/? Just two examples. There are more.
- miohtama 9mo ago
  > Ever heard of Helsing No. And that's part of the problem.
  - cjbenedikt 9mo ago
    Why is that a problem? They're doing just fine without you having heard of them.The ones who need to know seem to know. Just adding www.euclid.ai and www.dunia.ai as two more examples apparently not affected by "aggressive EU ai regulation".
    - disgruntledphd2 9mo ago
      And clearly the author hasn't read the AI act, where there are explicit carve-outs for security and defence applications (as there are in basically every EU law).

phendrenad2 9mo ago

I like to challenge myself to TL;DR these things: * The Deluge: 17th century double invasion of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth by Sweden + Russia. * America has lost faith in Europe. Cold war is over, administration doesn't value European trade. * American right is racist and no longer cares about democracy. * Russia plans to invade Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Finland, and Moldova. Alleges that China is helping. * Europe is facing another "deluge" because it's under attack on two fronts. * Solutions: reindustrialize, remilitarize, cut pensions, befriend India. Did I miss anything?

general1465 9mo ago

> Europe is also going to have to change its political mindset. Lavish pensions and other elements of Europe’s social model are going to have to be temporarily curbed to help give Europe the fiscal space and physical resources to fight off its enemies. Never going to happen. Nobody has balls to oppose pensioners, because they are a massive voting block and effectively deciding elections. Europe is not a country for young people.

toomuchtodo 9mo ago
And the US is for young people? Europe is for citizens, the US is an exploitation engine for consumers. https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_the_us_is_destroying_young_people_s_future https://www.ted.com/talks/scott_galloway_how_the_us_is_destr... (Doesn’t touch on unaffordable housing prices, social security benefits being cut 20% in a decade when the “trust fund” is exhausted, lack of opportunity and living wages, etc in the US)

g8oz 9mo ago

This guy is so overrated. His essays read like those of a well read stoner doing free association.

pzo 9mo ago

> If they then defeat Poland, they will enslave the Poles and send them to fight against the next European target, and so on. I think the author completely don't know history of Poland and haven't even spoken to any Poles.

amai 9mo ago

> Americans no longer feel threatened by Russia. Until Russia threatens Americans with nuclear weapons, which the russian government does basically every week. > All nuclear plants need to be restarted And where do they get their uranium from? From Russia? That doesn’t make sense. The article is a strange mix of reasonable goals for Europe and completely wrong statements.