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Interestingly, you say this. During my AI-driven research that led me toward tunnels, I found that VPN was the less secure approach. For SSH/Mosh, for example,

Interestingly, you say this. During my AI-driven research that led me toward tunnels, I found that VPN was the less secure approach. For SSH/Mosh, for example, I chose a WARP tunnel. I set it up with a certificate that expires immediately after each connection. My MFA was explicitly limited to password and Duo SSO Push. As I mentioned, though, my decision was primarily based on an Agent Mode prompt to ChatGPT, so I'm far from an expert.

wkat4242 9mo ago
Why would a VPN be less secure? It's an extra hurdle for attackers to take. You can still use whatever authentication you can on the service. And with a mesh VPN you also don't need to open any ports. However when I look into it it seems like WARP is also a vpn-like service, just a cloud one. Also, I do self-hosting so a "cloud native" solution as cloudflare calls it is explicitly not what I want. If your homelab is all about cloud then of course you would want something like this.
- vercaemert 9mo ago
  My concern was specifically about other devices on the same home network, outside the homelab, becoming vulnerable. I don't remember the details. Not relevant to you if you don't want to use cloud-native services. Personally, I like proprietary security-oriented code where possible, cloud-native or not. That factored into the decision.
GauntletWizard 9mo ago
AI driven research tells you everything you need to know about your conclusions; there's a hint of truth that's hiding an incredible web of misconceptions. Mesh VPNs as a security mechanism replacing having secure server to server communication is just replacing one soft-center security mechanism with another. Mesh VPNs as the gateway to services that are themselves well secured is well over doubly secure over just having publicly accessible services; now you need the security holes to line up.

wkat4242 9mo ago

Why would a VPN be less secure? It's an extra hurdle for attackers to take. You can still use whatever authentication you can on the service. And with a mesh VPN you also don't need to open any ports. However when I look into it it seems like WARP is also a vpn-like service, just a cloud one. Also, I do self-hosting so a "cloud native" solution as cloudflare calls it is explicitly not what I want. If your homelab is all about cloud then of course you would want something like this.

vercaemert 9mo ago
My concern was specifically about other devices on the same home network, outside the homelab, becoming vulnerable. I don't remember the details. Not relevant to you if you don't want to use cloud-native services. Personally, I like proprietary security-oriented code where possible, cloud-native or not. That factored into the decision.

GauntletWizard 9mo ago

AI driven research tells you everything you need to know about your conclusions; there's a hint of truth that's hiding an incredible web of misconceptions. Mesh VPNs as a security mechanism replacing having secure server to server communication is just replacing one soft-center security mechanism with another. Mesh VPNs as the gateway to services that are themselves well secured is well over doubly secure over just having publicly accessible services; now you need the security holes to line up.