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This seems to be concerning but as a Dutch person who has lived in the UK for a long time the relatively recent home-grown 'fatbike' issue seems to be a much mo

This seems to be concerning but as a Dutch person who has lived in the UK for a long time the relatively recent home-grown 'fatbike' issue seems to be a much more pressing problem for Dutch road safety than this and isn't being dealt with effectively as far as I understand. Having said that I think these American pick-ups (and large SUV's, they are part of the same problem) are a common sight here as well and should not be allowed on the road (unless maybe you can show you need one for work or business).

patall 10mo ago
I see those in Sweden as well. But I also know that people are stupid. And I rather have a stupid person on a stupid bike than a stupid person in an SUV. Especially since in an accident, they will lose in any case because most are likely not street legal.
RicoElectrico 10mo ago
What's wrong with fatbikes? They look stupid for sure, but otherwise?
- martijn_himself 10mo ago
  They are routinely modified to exceed legal speed limits and owned by 10 year old or younger kids. Going nearly 30mph on a footpath whilst holding a mobile phone. I think they are also unregistered.
  - RicoElectrico 10mo ago
    Oh, you mean they're powered, right?
    - martijn_himself 10mo ago
      Yes- in the Netherlands the term 'fatbike' is pretty much synonymous with the battery powered bikes only (I presume elsewhere this may be different). They are mini motorcycles really- but exempt from all the rules and regulations that would apply to regular motorcycles.
      - Lio 10mo ago
        Elsewhere “fatbike” just refers to the tyre size. Pedal fatbikes for riding on snow and sand have existed for at least 20 years I’d say.
  - trollbridge 10mo ago
    Major problem in the U.S. too. Easily modified to go as fast as 50 MPH on a chassis not designed for it. Drivers aren’t licenced and often are young kids. No registration. No insurance. No training. Very hazardous to pedestrians.
HendrikHensen 10mo ago
> This seems to be concerning but as a Dutch person who has lived in the UK for a long time the relatively recent home-grown 'fatbike' issue seems to be a much more pressing problem for Dutch road safety than this and isn't being dealt with effectively as far as I understand. This is the appeal to worse problems fallacy. Both are problems, both need to be addressed.

patall 10mo ago

I see those in Sweden as well. But I also know that people are stupid. And I rather have a stupid person on a stupid bike than a stupid person in an SUV. Especially since in an accident, they will lose in any case because most are likely not street legal.

RicoElectrico 10mo ago

What's wrong with fatbikes? They look stupid for sure, but otherwise?

martijn_himself 10mo ago
They are routinely modified to exceed legal speed limits and owned by 10 year old or younger kids. Going nearly 30mph on a footpath whilst holding a mobile phone. I think they are also unregistered.
- RicoElectrico 10mo ago
  Oh, you mean they're powered, right?
  - martijn_himself 10mo ago
    Yes- in the Netherlands the term 'fatbike' is pretty much synonymous with the battery powered bikes only (I presume elsewhere this may be different). They are mini motorcycles really- but exempt from all the rules and regulations that would apply to regular motorcycles.
    - Lio 10mo ago
      Elsewhere “fatbike” just refers to the tyre size. Pedal fatbikes for riding on snow and sand have existed for at least 20 years I’d say.
- trollbridge 10mo ago
  Major problem in the U.S. too. Easily modified to go as fast as 50 MPH on a chassis not designed for it. Drivers aren’t licenced and often are young kids. No registration. No insurance. No training. Very hazardous to pedestrians.

HendrikHensen 10mo ago

> This seems to be concerning but as a Dutch person who has lived in the UK for a long time the relatively recent home-grown 'fatbike' issue seems to be a much more pressing problem for Dutch road safety than this and isn't being dealt with effectively as far as I understand. This is the appeal to worse problems fallacy. Both are problems, both need to be addressed.