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Don't send the client information about players they should not be able to see based on their current position.

by nevon 10mo ago

xeonmc 10mo ago
And under such system, how do you stop people from abusing latency-compensation to make their character appear out of thin air on the opponent’s perspective by fake-juking a corner to trick the netcode into not sending the initial trajectory of your peeks?
- vablings 10mo ago
  Fortnite had this same issue when BR was first released. It was promptly fixed after cheaters started abusing it by adding more stringent checks.
  - maccard 10mo ago
    Fortnite has a fairly invasive root kit level anti cheat too, don’t forget.
    - vablings 10mo ago
      The invasive kernel root kit came months after they fixed the netcode abuses.
MindSpunk 10mo ago
How does it know what isn't visible? Can it handle glass? Frosted glass? Smoke? What if I can't see the player but I can see their shadow? What if I can't see them because they're behind me but I can hear their footsteps? What if I have 50ms ping and the player is invisible after turning a corner because the server hasn't realized I can see them yet? To answer all those questions you either have to render the entire game on the server for every player (not possible) or make the checks conservative enough that cheaters still get a significant advantage.
- littlecranky67 10mo ago
  GeforceNow begs to differ. I know, not the same, but IMHO the future of anticheat. We just need faster fiber networks.
  - fragmede 10mo ago
    Yeah. Stadia worked well in ideal conditions, so for people lucky enough to live that life, the technology's there.
    - littlecranky67 10mo ago
      I never understoof why google gave up so early on cloud gaming. Clearly it is the future, the infrastructure will need to develop but your userbase can grow by the day. I live a bit remote on an island group, and even though I have a 500Mbit Fiber, my latency to the next GeforceNOW datacenter is 60-70ms (which is my latency to most continental datacenters, so not NVidias fault). That makes it unplayable for i.e. Battlefield 6 (I tried, believe me), but I have been playing Fortnite (which is less aim sensitive) for 100+ hours with that.
SirMaster 10mo ago
Then how would the client know where to render the positional audio of their footsteps for instance?

Don't send the client information about players they should not be able to see based on their current position.

by nevon 10mo ago

Don't send the client information about players they should not be able to see based on their current position.

xeonmc 10mo ago

And under such system, how do you stop people from abusing latency-compensation to make their character appear out of thin air on the opponent’s perspective by fake-juking a corner to trick the netcode into not sending the initial trajectory of your peeks?

vablings 10mo ago
Fortnite had this same issue when BR was first released. It was promptly fixed after cheaters started abusing it by adding more stringent checks.
- maccard 10mo ago
  Fortnite has a fairly invasive root kit level anti cheat too, don’t forget.
  - vablings 10mo ago
    The invasive kernel root kit came months after they fixed the netcode abuses.

MindSpunk 10mo ago

How does it know what isn't visible? Can it handle glass? Frosted glass? Smoke? What if I can't see the player but I can see their shadow? What if I can't see them because they're behind me but I can hear their footsteps? What if I have 50ms ping and the player is invisible after turning a corner because the server hasn't realized I can see them yet? To answer all those questions you either have to render the entire game on the server for every player (not possible) or make the checks conservative enough that cheaters still get a significant advantage.

littlecranky67 10mo ago
GeforceNow begs to differ. I know, not the same, but IMHO the future of anticheat. We just need faster fiber networks.
- fragmede 10mo ago
  Yeah. Stadia worked well in ideal conditions, so for people lucky enough to live that life, the technology's there.
  - littlecranky67 10mo ago
    I never understoof why google gave up so early on cloud gaming. Clearly it is the future, the infrastructure will need to develop but your userbase can grow by the day. I live a bit remote on an island group, and even though I have a 500Mbit Fiber, my latency to the next GeforceNOW datacenter is 60-70ms (which is my latency to most continental datacenters, so not NVidias fault). That makes it unplayable for i.e. Battlefield 6 (I tried, believe me), but I have been playing Fortnite (which is less aim sensitive) for 100+ hours with that.

SirMaster 10mo ago

Then how would the client know where to render the positional audio of their footsteps for instance?