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I hate these comparisons because it's not apples to apples. The entire point of AWS is so you don't have to get a dedicated server. It's infra as a service.

by typpilol 10mo ago

hshdhdhj4444 10mo ago
I don’t understand your complaint. The point of having a private chef is so you don’t have to cook food by yourself. It’s still extremely useful to know if the private chef is cheaper or more expensive than cooking by yourself and by how much, so you can make a decision more aware of the trade offs involved.
- troupo 10mo ago
  My feeling is that a more apt comparison would be "cooking yourself vs. ordering Doordash all the time" (aka "a taxi for your burrito)
  - hshdhdhj4444 10mo ago
    Sure, that might be a more appropriate comparison. The key point is that being aware of the cost trade off is useful.
  - raverbashing 10mo ago
    Yes Getting a chef would be hiring your own devops team But the point of AWS is that you can buy these services with very fine granularity
- DeathArrow 10mo ago
  >The point of having a private chef is so you don’t have to cook food by yourself. With cloud, you hire a private chef and ALSO have to cook the food by yourself. You don't hire a team to maintain the server infrastructure, but you hire a team to maintain cloud infrastructure.
- whstl 10mo ago
  The problem with this discussion is that a lot of people on these threads work as overpaid assistants to the one private chef, but also have never cooked at home. Translating: A lot of people work with AWS, are making bank, and are terrified of their skill set being made obsolete. They also have no idea what it means to use a dedicated server. That’s why we get the same tired arguments and assumptions (such as the belief that bare-metal means “server room here in the office”) in every discussion.
  - ElFitz 10mo ago
    > such as the belief that bare-metal means “server room here in the office” I remember the day I discovered some companies, and not just tech ones (Walmart, UPS, Toyota,…) actually own, operate, and use their own datacenters. And there companies out there specialized in planning and building datacenters for them. I mean, it’s kind of obvious. But it made me realize at how small a scale I both thought and operated.
    - water-your-self 10mo ago
      Walmart does not want to use AWS because they are in direct competition. I worked for a company that was attempting to sell software to walmart.
      - ElFitz 10mo ago
        Yes, but if that was the only rationale, couldn’t they have opted for GCP or Azure?
    - flipbrad 10mo ago
      Check out how Wikipedia and the rest of the wikimedia universe is run.
  - refulgentis 10mo ago
    One of the least insightful comments I’ve seen in my 16 years here. “it’s because everyone here is dumb and knows it, and they are panicking and lying because they don’t want you to blow up their scam.”
- _nhh 10mo ago
  Havibg a private chef is more like havibg hired people to manage your own hardware. Doordash is aws
- dacryn 10mo ago
  it's not interesting as a standalone question indeed. The question is, what do you enable by having a private chef? Is it the fact that you don't want to spend the time cooking? or is it cooking plus shopping plus cleaning up after? Or is it counting the time to take cooking lessons? and including the cost of taking the bus to those cooking lessons? Does the private chef even use your house, or their own kitchen? Or can you get a smaller house without a kitchen alltogether? Especially at the rate of kitchen improvement, where kitchens don't last 20 years anymore, you're gonna need a new kitchen every 5 years. (granted the analogy is starting to fail here, but you get my point) Big companies have been terrible at managing costs and attributing value. At least with cloud the costs are somewhat clear. Also, finding staff that is skilled is a considerable expense for businesses with a more than a few pieces of code, and takes time, you can't just get them on a whim and get rid of them.
littlestymaar 10mo ago
> The entire point of AWS is so you don't have to get a dedicated server. Yet every company I've worked for still used at least a bunch of AWS VPS exactly as they would have used dedicated servers, just for ten times the cost.
Perz1val 10mo ago
Then why does EC2 exist?

I hate these comparisons because it's not apples to apples. The entire point of AWS is so you don't have to get a dedicated server. It's infra as a service.

hshdhdhj4444 10mo ago

I don’t understand your complaint. The point of having a private chef is so you don’t have to cook food by yourself. It’s still extremely useful to know if the private chef is cheaper or more expensive than cooking by yourself and by how much, so you can make a decision more aware of the trade offs involved.

troupo 10mo ago
My feeling is that a more apt comparison would be "cooking yourself vs. ordering Doordash all the time" (aka "a taxi for your burrito)
- hshdhdhj4444 10mo ago
  Sure, that might be a more appropriate comparison. The key point is that being aware of the cost trade off is useful.
- raverbashing 10mo ago
  Yes Getting a chef would be hiring your own devops team But the point of AWS is that you can buy these services with very fine granularity
DeathArrow 10mo ago
>The point of having a private chef is so you don’t have to cook food by yourself. With cloud, you hire a private chef and ALSO have to cook the food by yourself. You don't hire a team to maintain the server infrastructure, but you hire a team to maintain cloud infrastructure.
whstl 10mo ago
The problem with this discussion is that a lot of people on these threads work as overpaid assistants to the one private chef, but also have never cooked at home. Translating: A lot of people work with AWS, are making bank, and are terrified of their skill set being made obsolete. They also have no idea what it means to use a dedicated server. That’s why we get the same tired arguments and assumptions (such as the belief that bare-metal means “server room here in the office”) in every discussion.
- ElFitz 10mo ago
  > such as the belief that bare-metal means “server room here in the office” I remember the day I discovered some companies, and not just tech ones (Walmart, UPS, Toyota,…) actually own, operate, and use their own datacenters. And there companies out there specialized in planning and building datacenters for them. I mean, it’s kind of obvious. But it made me realize at how small a scale I both thought and operated.
  - water-your-self 10mo ago
    Walmart does not want to use AWS because they are in direct competition. I worked for a company that was attempting to sell software to walmart.
    - ElFitz 10mo ago
      Yes, but if that was the only rationale, couldn’t they have opted for GCP or Azure?
  - flipbrad 10mo ago
    Check out how Wikipedia and the rest of the wikimedia universe is run.
- refulgentis 10mo ago
  One of the least insightful comments I’ve seen in my 16 years here. “it’s because everyone here is dumb and knows it, and they are panicking and lying because they don’t want you to blow up their scam.”
_nhh 10mo ago
Havibg a private chef is more like havibg hired people to manage your own hardware. Doordash is aws
dacryn 10mo ago
it's not interesting as a standalone question indeed. The question is, what do you enable by having a private chef? Is it the fact that you don't want to spend the time cooking? or is it cooking plus shopping plus cleaning up after? Or is it counting the time to take cooking lessons? and including the cost of taking the bus to those cooking lessons? Does the private chef even use your house, or their own kitchen? Or can you get a smaller house without a kitchen alltogether? Especially at the rate of kitchen improvement, where kitchens don't last 20 years anymore, you're gonna need a new kitchen every 5 years. (granted the analogy is starting to fail here, but you get my point) Big companies have been terrible at managing costs and attributing value. At least with cloud the costs are somewhat clear. Also, finding staff that is skilled is a considerable expense for businesses with a more than a few pieces of code, and takes time, you can't just get them on a whim and get rid of them.

littlestymaar 10mo ago

> The entire point of AWS is so you don't have to get a dedicated server. Yet every company I've worked for still used at least a bunch of AWS VPS exactly as they would have used dedicated servers, just for ten times the cost.

Perz1val 10mo ago

Then why does EC2 exist?