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I love Orion, but it's pretty unusable with 1Password set up - delay on keyboard input is unbearable with the extension enabled and it slows everything down sig

by rdg1991 10mo ago

I love Orion, but it's pretty unusable with 1Password set up - delay on keyboard input is unbearable with the extension enabled and it slows everything down significantly. I just ran a few benchmarks with BrowserBench Speedometer: 1Password extension disabled: 17 1Password extension enabled: 10 (and the test takes much longer) Vivaldi with extension enabled: 25 I really, really want to move back to Orion as my daily driver but as a pretty heavy 1Password user this is absolutely a dealbreaker.

colinmarc 10mo ago
I opened this link intending to post exactly this. 1Password is just extremely broken on Orion. It's a testament to how much I like the browser that I'm still using it despite that (and despite the fact that Github was completely broken on Webkit this summer, but that's not Orion's fault).
- rdg1991 10mo ago
  I was in that camp, but then switched to Vivaldi and the experience is much better. Would love to move back to Orion since I do like just about everything else that it does better.
saint_yossarian 10mo ago
Bitwarden just had a similar bug with keyboard lag in their browser extension: https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/issues/17090 https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/issues/17090 I wish browsers offered some kind of autofill extension API so password managers don't have to inject their own bullshit into every page.
- bobbylarrybobby 10mo ago
  On macOS, they do! It's not clear why 1Password and Bitwarden don't utilize it. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/authenticationservices/ascredentialproviderviewcontroller https://developer.apple.com/documentation/authenticationserv...
  - saint_yossarian 10mo ago
    This seems to be a system API, I meant the WebExtensions API that browsers implement: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions/API https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/Web...
shepherdjerred 10mo ago
I have the same problem. I would move back (and even subscribe to) Orion if 1Password worked properly. I've tried it out a few times since it was originally released and it just didn't work well with 1P.
- rdg1991 10mo ago
  Yep! I gladly pay money for Kagi since it's great, but I'm not going to pay for a browser that's broken in fundamental ways. I'd be willing to pay for it if they start actually fixing long standing bugs like this.
  - yannickburky 10mo ago
    Orion Browser is free
    - catgirlinspace 10mo ago
      You can pay for Orion+. https://kagi.com/onboarding?p=orion_plan https://kagi.com/onboarding?p=orion_plan
NaomiLehman 10mo ago
the whole idea of firefox/chrome extensions in a webkit browser is weird
sylens 10mo ago
Yeah I just tried this release out and it feels really sluggish with 1Password
data-ottawa 10mo ago
I feel the same. It was very difficult to log in to websites, and I struggled with their own autofill overlay. The issue was much much worse on iPad. I did file bugs for issues I came across, and I'll try it again if I hear this is addressed.
freeandclear 10mo ago
since there is so much in common with safari, i hope that the devs will port them over as proper extensions with support
port11 10mo ago
I have the same issue, but I also think their extension model is simply not cutting it. I run both Orion and Brave with uBlock, and the Orion experience is basically Safari's pitfalls + a slightly broken extension model. Then again 1Password itself is problematic, from old bugs to the slowness of it all. I also dislike how their overlay thingie gets on top of everything, even form fields that make no sense. It's a bit pricey for the decrease in quality over time.

by rdg1991 10mo ago

colinmarc 10mo ago

I opened this link intending to post exactly this. 1Password is just extremely broken on Orion. It's a testament to how much I like the browser that I'm still using it despite that (and despite the fact that Github was completely broken on Webkit this summer, but that's not Orion's fault).

rdg1991 10mo ago
I was in that camp, but then switched to Vivaldi and the experience is much better. Would love to move back to Orion since I do like just about everything else that it does better.

saint_yossarian 10mo ago

Bitwarden just had a similar bug with keyboard lag in their browser extension: https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/issues/17090 https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/issues/17090 I wish browsers offered some kind of autofill extension API so password managers don't have to inject their own bullshit into every page.

bobbylarrybobby 10mo ago
On macOS, they do! It's not clear why 1Password and Bitwarden don't utilize it. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/authenticationservices/ascredentialproviderviewcontroller https://developer.apple.com/documentation/authenticationserv...
- saint_yossarian 10mo ago
  This seems to be a system API, I meant the WebExtensions API that browsers implement: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions/API https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/Web...

shepherdjerred 10mo ago

I have the same problem. I would move back (and even subscribe to) Orion if 1Password worked properly. I've tried it out a few times since it was originally released and it just didn't work well with 1P.

rdg1991 10mo ago
Yep! I gladly pay money for Kagi since it's great, but I'm not going to pay for a browser that's broken in fundamental ways. I'd be willing to pay for it if they start actually fixing long standing bugs like this.
- yannickburky 10mo ago
  Orion Browser is free
  - catgirlinspace 10mo ago
    You can pay for Orion+. https://kagi.com/onboarding?p=orion_plan https://kagi.com/onboarding?p=orion_plan

NaomiLehman 10mo ago

the whole idea of firefox/chrome extensions in a webkit browser is weird

sylens 10mo ago

Yeah I just tried this release out and it feels really sluggish with 1Password

data-ottawa 10mo ago

I feel the same. It was very difficult to log in to websites, and I struggled with their own autofill overlay. The issue was much much worse on iPad. I did file bugs for issues I came across, and I'll try it again if I hear this is addressed.

freeandclear 10mo ago

since there is so much in common with safari, i hope that the devs will port them over as proper extensions with support

port11 10mo ago

I have the same issue, but I also think their extension model is simply not cutting it. I run both Orion and Brave with uBlock, and the Orion experience is basically Safari's pitfalls + a slightly broken extension model. Then again 1Password itself is problematic, from old bugs to the slowness of it all. I also dislike how their overlay thingie gets on top of everything, even form fields that make no sense. It's a bit pricey for the decrease in quality over time.