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We need to pass laws that can make these executives serve jail time. You’d quickly see these “impossible to moderate” platforms quickly clean up.
by crazydoggers 10mo ago
We need to pass laws that can make these executives serve jail time.
You’d quickly see these “impossible to moderate” platforms quickly clean up.
- superkuh 10mo agoOr the parents. I wasn't aware the corporations were responsible for the raising of children. That said, I'm with you on reducing the abstraction of liability that is the purpose of corporations. I just don't think parents not parenting is the reason to do it. I also don't really think parents should be thrown in prison and families destroyed. The use of violent force in this situation, against the CEOs or the parents, is entirely uncalled for and does more real damage than the "problem".
- jswelker 10mo agoI agree 100%, but it is fair to point out there is really no precedent for the level of involvement and knowledge and handholding it takes for a parent to navigate the digital world. Yes parents are widely failing, but it should be no surprise.
- quantified 10mo agoParents understand that they cannot be the sole arbiter of everything for their children. Locking down your children's inputs is not fully realistic. If you remember being a child you remember circumventing your parents at every turn.
- Ajedi32 10mo agoAnd so instead we should expect corporations to fill that role?
- quantified 10mo agoI'm not sure that's implied anywhere. There are many non-parental roles to be filled in society that should steer harm away feom children. Priests for example. Teachers and librarians, nurses, bus drivers, shopkeepers, and so on.
- superkuh 10mo agoYes. At the tail end of my comment I stated that calls for violence (forced imprisonment) against either CEO (like original poster in this thread) or parents (like me, as satire) for not sanitizing a child's entire life is wrong. Both are wrong. There isn't even a problem here. Certainly not one that requires the use of force to deprive humans of their volition.
- hrimfaxi 10mo agoOur parents had problems figuring out how to program the time on the VCR. Technology advances faster than parents can keep up. If someone was selling drugs on the street on the way to school, would we be blaming parents who let their kids walk to school that they should parent better, or would we deal with the drug dealer?
- zeroCalories 10mo agoOh yeah, I remember 20 years ago when the Internet was fine for a child to brows unsupervised.
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- hrimfaxi 10mo agoIf you think the internet today is anything like it was 20 years ago, I don't know what to tell you
- fragmede 10mo agoIf we think a drug dealer on the way to school is a good analogy, I have to ask; many someones went into a school with guns and shot children. How did we deal with that?
- dylan604 10mo ago> How did we deal with that? We haven't. It keeps happening. Now what?
- zzzeek 10mo agoAgree, in any other field if a product cannot be made safe for consumers, you just don't produce and sell it. The world does not need to have a Roblox app (my 11 year old would disagree very much)
- andsoitis 10mo ago> Agree, in any other field if a product cannot be made safe for consumers, you just don't produce and sell it This is patently untrue. We are exposed to risk, incl. death, from products and services every day. Nothing can be 100% safe, nor would it be wise to aim for it. The benefits, as they say, often outweigh the cost.
- GuinansEyebrows 10mo agothe benefits of roblox?
- andsoitis 10mo ago> the benefits of roblox? Roblox has tens of millions of daily active users. I'm guessing they would say it is a great way to entertain themselves and to spend time with others, amongst others.
- iamnothere 10mo ago> in any other field if a product cannot be made safe for consumers, you just don't produce and sell it I’ll keep this in mind the next time I pick up some acetylene or muriatic acid.
- zzzeek 10mo agoAcetylene is being marketed to children as something fun to play with ?
- iamnothere 10mo agoThey literally said dangerous products couldn’t be sold to consumers in general. Obvious nonsense or chainsaws would require a license. I am pushing back against the safetyist notion that unsafe products cannot or should not be sold to the public.
- tyleo 10mo agoI don't understand why this is getting downvoted. As another response mentioned, we wouldn't tolerate this in any other industry. If a restaurant served food that harmed people we wouldn't say, "it's on the parents." I don't get why so many folks are willing to say that with harms caused by tech companies. Scale is no excuse either, "at our scale we just can't handle all the content." If anything it makes the problem more pressing to address.
- masfuerte 10mo ago> If a restaurant served food that harmed people we wouldn't say, "it's on the parents." But we do! Acute harm is bad but chronic harm is, apparently, fine.
- Analemma_ 10mo agoYes, it's absurd how tech considers "but we're too big" to be a legitimate reason for inaction. That would get handcuffs clapped on you in any other industry. What happened to "too big to fail" being a sign of deep corruption requiring immediate action and breaking up companies?
- dylan604 10mo agoReally? How many handcuffs were clapped in the Too Big To Fail 2008 financial crisis? Why we think other large corporations with infinite funds would ever face consequences? This forum is funny in how when discussing the failures of tech seem to think it it is isolated from the rest of the corporate world, yet when discussing non-tech corporations are constantly lamenting that the corporate veil of protection is impenetrable.
- fragmede 10mo ago> If a restaurant served food that harmed people we wouldn't say, "it's on the parents." Isn't that how moralizing about the health benefits of a McDonalds-based diet go?
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- parasubvert 10mo agoWhat law is being broken?
- crazydoggers 10mo agoI literally said we need to pass laws to make it illegal. (ie knowingly allowing child trafficking or exploitation on your service)