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We learned this the hard way with "cold" backups stored in a literal safe. We treated NVMe drives like digital stone tablets. A year later, we tried to restore
by leo_e 10mo ago
We learned this the hard way with "cold" backups stored in a literal safe.
We treated NVMe drives like digital stone tablets. A year later, we tried to restore a critical snapshot and checksums failed everywhere. We now have a policy to power-cycle our cold storage drives every 6 months just to refresh the charge traps.
It's terrifying how ephemeral "permanent" storage actually is. Tape is annoying to manage, but at least it doesn't leak electrons just sitting on a shelf.
- deltoidmaximus 10mo agoWhat does power-cycle mean in this case? I've seen this topic come up a lot on a datahoarder forum but there was never any consensus on what it would take to assure the data was refreshed because no one really knew how it worked. People would assume anything from a short power up to simply rewriting all data as possibilities. The firmware engineer responding up thread is actually the best information I've seen on this. And it kind of confirmed my suspicions. He works on enterprise drives and they run a refresh cycle as background cycle that seems to start on a random timer. I didn't see any response (yet) on how long this process takes but I think we can infer that it takes a while based on it being a background process. Probably hours or more. And this is all for an enterprise drive, I wouldn't be surprised if consumer drives have a less robust or even non-existent refresh function. I'm of the opinion that that based on the little information about some implementations of this function, the logical conclusion is you should just rewrite all of the data over again on your cold backups for the cycle. Powering it on isn't enough, even powering it on for a day might not do anything. As you said this is a pretty big drawback for uses flash as a cold backup.
- qingcharles 10mo agoI was talking to a lawyer recently and somehow this subject came up and he confessed he has been scanning and storing all his files onto SSDs for years which he keeps in a safe to meet a 7-year retention requirement.
- thenthenthen 10mo agoWhat is the goldielocks area here, spinning rust? My 20 year old ide hdds seem to be… ok
- thenthenthen 10mo ago*zone
- ianburrell 10mo agoI think we should stop considering flash as permanent storage. It is temporary storage that keeps working as long as given power. I wish there was archival storage something long-lasting and large capacity. That would make a good complement to flash for writing backups and long-lasting data.
- mafuy 10mo agoHow much do you wish it? A modern LTO tape drive is 4000$ or so, plus tapes for 5$ per TB.
- hnarn 10mo ago> We now have a policy to power-cycle our cold storage drives every 6 months Why not tape? LTO archival tape is like 10-20 years, no? It’s also quite cheap I think