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Yep, it's easy to shortcut AI plagiarism, but you need time. In most of the universities around the world (online universities especially), the number of studen

Yep, it's easy to shortcut AI plagiarism, but you need time. In most of the universities around the world (online universities especially), the number of students is way too big, while professors get more and more pressure on publishing and bureaucracy.

ecshafer 10mo ago
I did my masters in GaTech OMSCS (Chatgpt came out at the very end of my last semester). Tests were done with cameras on and it was recorded and then they were watched I think by TAs. Homework was done with automated checking and a plagiarism checker. Do you need to have in person proctoring via test centers or libraries? Video chats with professors? I am not sure. Projects are importants, but maybe they need to become a minority of grades and more being based on theory to circumvent AI?
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ghaff 10mo ago
It's not even about plagiarism. But, sure, 1:1 or even 1:few instruction is great but even at elite schools is not really very practical. I went to what's considered a very good engineering school and classes with hundreds of students was pretty normal.
- fhgh2 10mo ago
  In some university systems it seems to be possible (I'm thinking of the khôlle system in France), so I don't see how the much better funded US system would not be able to do it.
  - ghaff 10mo ago
    Google tells me that is more of a system with preparatory schools in France. That said, there is more of an emphasis at some schools than others in individual interactions and seminars at the undergraduate collegiate level. I had some of that--just not mostly in engineering. In US elite schools, there's certainly time conflict for professors given research priorities.
    - yberreby 10mo ago
      Yes, this is part of the French prépa/CPGE system, which is the "standard" way for students to enter elite engineering schools. You do your first 2-3 years of undergrad in prépa. Source: I did prépa.
    - fhgh2 10mo ago
      This is a false friend translations - CPGE are undergraduate programs (that are prepatory to further studies at the graduate levels).
      - ghaff 10mo ago
        It happens to some degree in the US. I got a Masters at a school (after a BS at another school) that had 4-year BA degrees that you could extend to an additional 1-year BE degree.
- sosodev 10mo ago
  Ironically the practically of such instruction goes down as the status of the school goes up. I got a lot of 1:1 or 1:few time with my community college professors.
- throwaway31131 10mo ago
  For many of the “very good” engineering schools that I know of they got “very good” status because of their graduate programs. In graduate school a 1:few relation is almost certain. In undergraduate, not so much.
  - ghaff 10mo ago
    Probably generally true. There's some "trickle down" (sorry) especially for students who take direct advantage of it or from the institutional wealth generally. But, yes, students at such institutions who struggle aren't necessarily well-supported.

ecshafer 10mo ago

I did my masters in GaTech OMSCS (Chatgpt came out at the very end of my last semester). Tests were done with cameras on and it was recorded and then they were watched I think by TAs. Homework was done with automated checking and a plagiarism checker. Do you need to have in person proctoring via test centers or libraries? Video chats with professors? I am not sure. Projects are importants, but maybe they need to become a minority of grades and more being based on theory to circumvent AI?

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ghaff 10mo ago

It's not even about plagiarism. But, sure, 1:1 or even 1:few instruction is great but even at elite schools is not really very practical. I went to what's considered a very good engineering school and classes with hundreds of students was pretty normal.

fhgh2 10mo ago
In some university systems it seems to be possible (I'm thinking of the khôlle system in France), so I don't see how the much better funded US system would not be able to do it.
- ghaff 10mo ago
  Google tells me that is more of a system with preparatory schools in France. That said, there is more of an emphasis at some schools than others in individual interactions and seminars at the undergraduate collegiate level. I had some of that--just not mostly in engineering. In US elite schools, there's certainly time conflict for professors given research priorities.
  - yberreby 10mo ago
    Yes, this is part of the French prépa/CPGE system, which is the "standard" way for students to enter elite engineering schools. You do your first 2-3 years of undergrad in prépa. Source: I did prépa.
  - fhgh2 10mo ago
    This is a false friend translations - CPGE are undergraduate programs (that are prepatory to further studies at the graduate levels).
    - ghaff 10mo ago
      It happens to some degree in the US. I got a Masters at a school (after a BS at another school) that had 4-year BA degrees that you could extend to an additional 1-year BE degree.
sosodev 10mo ago
Ironically the practically of such instruction goes down as the status of the school goes up. I got a lot of 1:1 or 1:few time with my community college professors.
throwaway31131 10mo ago
For many of the “very good” engineering schools that I know of they got “very good” status because of their graduate programs. In graduate school a 1:few relation is almost certain. In undergraduate, not so much.
- ghaff 10mo ago
  Probably generally true. There's some "trickle down" (sorry) especially for students who take direct advantage of it or from the institutional wealth generally. But, yes, students at such institutions who struggle aren't necessarily well-supported.