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China maintain the view that Tibet is part of China since the establishment of PRC, and they make this very explicit. Same for their border disputes with India.

by rfoo 10mo ago

China maintain the view that Tibet is part of China since the establishment of PRC, and they make this very explicit. Same for their border disputes with India. China never admitted that they believe it's not theirs. Mea while China does not ever say that Japan or Korea is part of China (and it's the only reason why they keep North Korea from collapsing despite it being super annoying). So, again, any example of China suddenly started to claim lands?

krior 10mo ago
They also claim that the Taiwan-island is part of their territory. Since Its currently full of taiwanese people and China holds regular military exercises around that island an invasion does not seem far-fetched.
- boringg 10mo ago
  It may not be far fetched but it would absolutely be a self inflicted wound to the PRC. Galvanizing global concern towards china.
  - krior 10mo ago
    That did not stop russia.
  - laughing_man 10mo ago
    The CCP takes a long view of things. They know the diplomatic fallout from the invasion will subside eventually, so they're less worried about "global concern" than you might think. It's likely they would have done the invasion already but for the fact that invasions over water are really difficult and they're not sure it would succeed.
exe34 10mo ago
isn't that the same clever argument that Comrade Vladimir uses in Ukraine?
- sebmellen 10mo ago
  Bingo
- laughing_man 10mo ago
  It's literally the same argument that every king, dictator, or president used to justify invasions in Europe (and presumably most of the world) since the end of feudalism. Even the Austrian moustache man justified his invasion of Russia based on myths of Aryan people having held that land in the distant past.
  - thaumasiotes 10mo ago
    > Even the Austrian moustache man justified his invasion of Russia based on myths of Aryan people having held that land in the distant past. Interestingly enough, there's a recent theory putting the location of the proto-Germanic speakers in Finland.
    - HeinzStuckeIt 10mo ago
      > there's a recent theory putting the location of the proto-Germanic speakers in Finland. There is no credible theory to that effect. Either you have stumbled on something that is not taken seriously, or you are misunderstanding the consensus. Namely, Proto-Germanic speakers did visit the eastern Baltic coast for trading and raiding, and so there are Germanic loanwords into Finnic languages of Proto-Germanic date, but the agreed location where Proto-Germanic formed is in Scandinavia, not Finland.
      - thaumasiotes 10mo ago
        > Either you have stumbled on something that is not taken seriously, or you are misunderstanding the consensus. I'm not sure you have a good grasp on the meaning of the word "recent". A recent theory, by definition, must differ from the consensus. > There is no credible theory to that effect. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.13.584607v2 https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.13.584607v2 Granted, they don't say "Finland". They say "the northeast along the Baltic coastline".
actionfromafar 10mo ago
North Korea is a buffer zone. That's the reason.
testdelacc1 10mo ago
> Perhaps there are not many instances in history where one country has gone out of her way to be friendly and cooperative with the government and people of another country and to plead their cause in the councils of the world, and then that country returns evil for good Jawaharlal Nehru (India’s Prime Minister), on the day that China launched an unprovoked surprise war against India in 1962. It was a crushing victory for China, and they grabbed all their territory they wanted. More can always be said but here’s a 2 minute video that explains the war - https://youtu.be/zCePMVvl1ek https://youtu.be/zCePMVvl1ek You know how Mao said diplomacy flows from the barrel of a gun? That wasn’t a metaphor. That is PRC policy since 1949.
dmurray 10mo ago
Don't most people maintain the view that Tibet is part of PRC China? They might think further autonomy or independence for it would be a good thing, like the Basque Country, but the control isn't really disputed right now. And nobody really seems to think it should be part of India. In contrast to Taiwan, where the governments in both Beijing and Taipei officially maintain that those places are part of the same country, and the international community sometimes pretends the same and only recognises one government, but de facto everyone trades with both countries and deals with both governments.
- laughing_man 10mo ago
  Sure, Tibet is part of China now. But the country was independent from 1912 until China annexed it in 1951. I'm pretty sure most Tibetans would rather be independent.
thaumasiotes 10mo ago
> Same for their border disputes with India. China never admitted that they believe it's not theirs. Not an issue I follow, but I did read something that said China had proposed swapping claimed territory for zones of actual control, and India turned them down.
SUKEIRAA 10mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands
- RobotToaster 10mo ago
  Islands that were stolen from China during the Imperial Japanese occupation?
- rfoo 10mo ago
  Okay it belongs to Taiwan, and they actually claim it, period.

by rfoo 10mo ago

krior 10mo ago

They also claim that the Taiwan-island is part of their territory. Since Its currently full of taiwanese people and China holds regular military exercises around that island an invasion does not seem far-fetched.

boringg 10mo ago
It may not be far fetched but it would absolutely be a self inflicted wound to the PRC. Galvanizing global concern towards china.
- krior 10mo ago
  That did not stop russia.
- laughing_man 10mo ago
  The CCP takes a long view of things. They know the diplomatic fallout from the invasion will subside eventually, so they're less worried about "global concern" than you might think. It's likely they would have done the invasion already but for the fact that invasions over water are really difficult and they're not sure it would succeed.

exe34 10mo ago

isn't that the same clever argument that Comrade Vladimir uses in Ukraine?

sebmellen 10mo ago
Bingo
laughing_man 10mo ago
It's literally the same argument that every king, dictator, or president used to justify invasions in Europe (and presumably most of the world) since the end of feudalism. Even the Austrian moustache man justified his invasion of Russia based on myths of Aryan people having held that land in the distant past.
- thaumasiotes 10mo ago
  > Even the Austrian moustache man justified his invasion of Russia based on myths of Aryan people having held that land in the distant past. Interestingly enough, there's a recent theory putting the location of the proto-Germanic speakers in Finland.
  - HeinzStuckeIt 10mo ago
    > there's a recent theory putting the location of the proto-Germanic speakers in Finland. There is no credible theory to that effect. Either you have stumbled on something that is not taken seriously, or you are misunderstanding the consensus. Namely, Proto-Germanic speakers did visit the eastern Baltic coast for trading and raiding, and so there are Germanic loanwords into Finnic languages of Proto-Germanic date, but the agreed location where Proto-Germanic formed is in Scandinavia, not Finland.
    - thaumasiotes 10mo ago
      > Either you have stumbled on something that is not taken seriously, or you are misunderstanding the consensus. I'm not sure you have a good grasp on the meaning of the word "recent". A recent theory, by definition, must differ from the consensus. > There is no credible theory to that effect. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.13.584607v2 https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.13.584607v2 Granted, they don't say "Finland". They say "the northeast along the Baltic coastline".

actionfromafar 10mo ago

North Korea is a buffer zone. That's the reason.

testdelacc1 10mo ago

> Perhaps there are not many instances in history where one country has gone out of her way to be friendly and cooperative with the government and people of another country and to plead their cause in the councils of the world, and then that country returns evil for good Jawaharlal Nehru (India’s Prime Minister), on the day that China launched an unprovoked surprise war against India in 1962. It was a crushing victory for China, and they grabbed all their territory they wanted. More can always be said but here’s a 2 minute video that explains the war - https://youtu.be/zCePMVvl1ek https://youtu.be/zCePMVvl1ek You know how Mao said diplomacy flows from the barrel of a gun? That wasn’t a metaphor. That is PRC policy since 1949.

dmurray 10mo ago

Don't most people maintain the view that Tibet is part of PRC China? They might think further autonomy or independence for it would be a good thing, like the Basque Country, but the control isn't really disputed right now. And nobody really seems to think it should be part of India. In contrast to Taiwan, where the governments in both Beijing and Taipei officially maintain that those places are part of the same country, and the international community sometimes pretends the same and only recognises one government, but de facto everyone trades with both countries and deals with both governments.

laughing_man 10mo ago
Sure, Tibet is part of China now. But the country was independent from 1912 until China annexed it in 1951. I'm pretty sure most Tibetans would rather be independent.

thaumasiotes 10mo ago

> Same for their border disputes with India. China never admitted that they believe it's not theirs. Not an issue I follow, but I did read something that said China had proposed swapping claimed territory for zones of actual control, and India turned them down.

SUKEIRAA 10mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senkaku_Islands

RobotToaster 10mo ago
Islands that were stolen from China during the Imperial Japanese occupation?
rfoo 10mo ago
Okay it belongs to Taiwan, and they actually claim it, period.