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I don't think riddles are necessarily 'solvable' in that there's only one right answer; the very fact that they're open to interpretation, but when you get the

I don't think riddles are necessarily 'solvable' in that there's only one right answer; the very fact that they're open to interpretation, but when you get the 'right' answer it (hopefully) makes sense. So if an AI/LLM can answer such a nebulous thing correctly- that's more of the angle I was going at. Regarding the wizards example, I'm a bit confused; I was thinking that the best way to judge answers for problem solving/creativity was for correctness. I'll think more on whether the 'thought process' counts in and of itself. The answer to my riddle is 'ball'.

johnisgood 10mo ago
How did you get "ball" from your riddle? I read it and I have no idea! :(
- shagie 10mo ago
  In my sibling comment, I linked the chat session where I prompted ChatGPT for possible answers and reasoning. https://chatgpt.com/share/6920b9e2-764c-8011-a14a-012e97573f75 https://chatgpt.com/share/6920b9e2-764c-8011-a14a-012e97573f... Given the following riddle, identify the object to which it refers. # Chaos erupts around The shape moot The goal is key # Identify 10 different possible answers and identify the reasoning behind each guess and why it may or may not be correct. The second item in the possible answers: Soccer ball Why it fits: “Chaos erupts around”: Players cluster and scramble around the ball; wherever it goes, chaos follows. “The shape moot”: Modern footballs vary in panel design and surface texture, but they must all be broadly spherical; to the game itself, variations in cosmetic shape are mostly irrelevant. “The goal is key”: Everyone’s objective is to get the ball into the goal. Why it might not be correct: The third line emphasizes the goal, which points more strongly to the scoring structure or concept of scoring rather than the ball.
  - wadadadad 10mo ago
    Interesting that here ChatGPT was able to generally get the correct idea! Two points: The answer is not specifically 'soccer ball', but just ball. I don't think that I would deem that as acceptable, though certainly it's very close! Maybe others would disagree, haha, and as I stated above, I do think riddles are open to interpretation. Second, as to why my own prompting didn't get- I didn't specify 'identify the object'. I wonder if prompting that it wasn't necessarily a physical thing was helpful enough to get it significantly closer (still funny that the first answer I received was 'escape room'). As to GP: - in sports with balls, there is 'chaos'. I was aiming more from the audience. In some of the larger arenas of professional sports, there's a complete ruckus on certain actions. - The shape is moot; there's many different kinds of 'balls'. Compare football to soccer to tennis. - Balls all have an objective, a goal, usually to get the ball to a specific location ('goal' in the typical sense, but the vagueness could imply general use as well). This was mostly to imply a sense of purpose and use of the riddle's answer. Again, not saying this is the best riddle ever, just trying to make a point.
shagie 10mo ago
Perfect correctness is what you'd expect from a computer. I could write a program that solved it - and that would be an indication of my creativity as a human solving something that I haven't encountered before. Incidentally, that's also how it approached solving the block problem (by writing a program). If you ask me the goat, wolf, cabbage problem I'd be able to recite (as an xkcd fan https://xkcd.com/1134/ https://xkcd.com/1134/ and https://xkcd.com/2348/ https://xkcd.com/2348/ and the exploration of what else it could do). However, if someone hasn't seen the problem before it could be a useful tool at seeing how they approach solving it. The question of how does it tackle a new problem is one of creativity and exploration of thought in a new (untrained) domain. A possible claim of "well, it's been trained on the meta-problem of how to solve problems that weren't in its training set" would get a side eye. For the "ball" being the answer... consider the second response to https://chatgpt.com/share/6920b9e2-764c-8011-a14a-012e97573f75 https://chatgpt.com/share/6920b9e2-764c-8011-a14a-012e97573f... (make sure you click on the "Thought for 1m 5s" to get the internal process)

johnisgood 10mo ago

How did you get "ball" from your riddle? I read it and I have no idea! :(

shagie 10mo ago
In my sibling comment, I linked the chat session where I prompted ChatGPT for possible answers and reasoning. https://chatgpt.com/share/6920b9e2-764c-8011-a14a-012e97573f75 https://chatgpt.com/share/6920b9e2-764c-8011-a14a-012e97573f... Given the following riddle, identify the object to which it refers. # Chaos erupts around The shape moot The goal is key # Identify 10 different possible answers and identify the reasoning behind each guess and why it may or may not be correct. The second item in the possible answers: Soccer ball Why it fits: “Chaos erupts around”: Players cluster and scramble around the ball; wherever it goes, chaos follows. “The shape moot”: Modern footballs vary in panel design and surface texture, but they must all be broadly spherical; to the game itself, variations in cosmetic shape are mostly irrelevant. “The goal is key”: Everyone’s objective is to get the ball into the goal. Why it might not be correct: The third line emphasizes the goal, which points more strongly to the scoring structure or concept of scoring rather than the ball.
- wadadadad 10mo ago
  Interesting that here ChatGPT was able to generally get the correct idea! Two points: The answer is not specifically 'soccer ball', but just ball. I don't think that I would deem that as acceptable, though certainly it's very close! Maybe others would disagree, haha, and as I stated above, I do think riddles are open to interpretation. Second, as to why my own prompting didn't get- I didn't specify 'identify the object'. I wonder if prompting that it wasn't necessarily a physical thing was helpful enough to get it significantly closer (still funny that the first answer I received was 'escape room'). As to GP: - in sports with balls, there is 'chaos'. I was aiming more from the audience. In some of the larger arenas of professional sports, there's a complete ruckus on certain actions. - The shape is moot; there's many different kinds of 'balls'. Compare football to soccer to tennis. - Balls all have an objective, a goal, usually to get the ball to a specific location ('goal' in the typical sense, but the vagueness could imply general use as well). This was mostly to imply a sense of purpose and use of the riddle's answer. Again, not saying this is the best riddle ever, just trying to make a point.

shagie 10mo ago

Perfect correctness is what you'd expect from a computer. I could write a program that solved it - and that would be an indication of my creativity as a human solving something that I haven't encountered before. Incidentally, that's also how it approached solving the block problem (by writing a program). If you ask me the goat, wolf, cabbage problem I'd be able to recite (as an xkcd fan https://xkcd.com/1134/ https://xkcd.com/1134/ and https://xkcd.com/2348/ https://xkcd.com/2348/ and the exploration of what else it could do). However, if someone hasn't seen the problem before it could be a useful tool at seeing how they approach solving it. The question of how does it tackle a new problem is one of creativity and exploration of thought in a new (untrained) domain. A possible claim of "well, it's been trained on the meta-problem of how to solve problems that weren't in its training set" would get a side eye. For the "ball" being the answer... consider the second response to https://chatgpt.com/share/6920b9e2-764c-8011-a14a-012e97573f75 https://chatgpt.com/share/6920b9e2-764c-8011-a14a-012e97573f... (make sure you click on the "Thought for 1m 5s" to get the internal process)