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What works for one might not work for another one. Can't generalize.

by pacomerh 10mo ago

Yizahi 10mo ago
We can actually. It's called theory of probability and statistics, which is probably "forgotten" by these amazing self-appointed homeschoolers. A few rare successes of homeschoolers doesn't mean this practice is good on average, and vice versa the rare failures of the public education system doesn't mean that it is bad on average.
- Brendinooo 10mo ago
  Most times I look this up, I see stuff like "[t]he home-educated typically score 15 to 25 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests". https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/#Academic https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/#Academic
  - ribosometronome 10mo ago
    Looking at the replies, I do not think the general complaint is that homeschooling is bad for test scores but social development and preparing kids for society outside the house. It definitely requires considerably more, active attention from parents. Perhaps some of these people here have both the time to be hold down a decent career and also tutor their child in multiple curricula that haven't been important to them in decades and ensure that they're maintaining an active social life but I think the difficulty of nailing that as you go-your-own-way is apparent.
    - Brendinooo 10mo ago
      >I do not think the general complaint is that homeschooling is bad for test scores >Perhaps some of these people here have both the time to be hold down a decent career and also tutor their child in multiple curricula that haven't been important to them in decades This reads as an inconsistency. As for the social stuff - as I commented elsewhere, it's not hard to make a case that public school is bad for socialization as well. Which isn't to say that public school isn't irredeemable in that way, just that it's not like one or the other is an obviously correct choice.
  - FireBeyond 10mo ago
    Yeah, that study has been debunked or countered by "... among home-educated students applying for college", and the proportion of home schooled kids who apply for college versus those in the traditional education system is far lower, i.e. this is very self-selecting.
    - Brendinooo 10mo ago
      Where was it debunked?
- AnimalMuppet 10mo ago
  If you've got the statistics to validate your point, show them. If not... pot, meet kettle.
- negzero7 10mo ago
  This comment is so disingenuous. Few and rare?? Why would you frame it like this? Homeschoolers are better educated, more likely to get into college, and have better socialization skills than their publicly educated peers. https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/#:~:text=recruited%20by%20colleges.-,Social%2C%20Emotional%2C%20and%20Psychological%20Development,-Research%20facts%20on https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/#:~:text=r... https://chewv.org/college-preparation/college-admissions/?utm_source=chatgpt.com#:~:text=Graduation%20rates%20show%20a%20higher%20disparity%20with%2066.7%25%20of%20homeschooled%20students%20graduating%2C%20compared%20to%20a%2057.5%25%20national%20average. https://chewv.org/college-preparation/college-admissions/?ut... https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/?utm_source=chatgpt.com#:~:text=The%20home-educated%20typically%20score%2015%20to%2025%20percentile%20points%20above%20public-school%20students%20on%20standardized%20academic%20achievement%20tests%20(Ray%2C%202010%2C%202015%2C%202017%3B%20Ray%20%26%20Hoelzle%2C%202024). https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/?utm_sourc...
  - FireBeyond 10mo ago
    They're not more likely to get into college as a whole. In fact, they apply to college a lot less. But in that subset, against public education as a whole, then yes, they do better. You may want to look wider afield than homeschooling advocacy and lobbyist groups for your stats.

What works for one might not work for another one. Can't generalize.

Yizahi 10mo ago

We can actually. It's called theory of probability and statistics, which is probably "forgotten" by these amazing self-appointed homeschoolers. A few rare successes of homeschoolers doesn't mean this practice is good on average, and vice versa the rare failures of the public education system doesn't mean that it is bad on average.

Brendinooo 10mo ago
Most times I look this up, I see stuff like "[t]he home-educated typically score 15 to 25 percentile points above public-school students on standardized academic achievement tests". https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/#Academic https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/#Academic
- ribosometronome 10mo ago
  Looking at the replies, I do not think the general complaint is that homeschooling is bad for test scores but social development and preparing kids for society outside the house. It definitely requires considerably more, active attention from parents. Perhaps some of these people here have both the time to be hold down a decent career and also tutor their child in multiple curricula that haven't been important to them in decades and ensure that they're maintaining an active social life but I think the difficulty of nailing that as you go-your-own-way is apparent.
  - Brendinooo 10mo ago
    >I do not think the general complaint is that homeschooling is bad for test scores >Perhaps some of these people here have both the time to be hold down a decent career and also tutor their child in multiple curricula that haven't been important to them in decades This reads as an inconsistency. As for the social stuff - as I commented elsewhere, it's not hard to make a case that public school is bad for socialization as well. Which isn't to say that public school isn't irredeemable in that way, just that it's not like one or the other is an obviously correct choice.
- FireBeyond 10mo ago
  Yeah, that study has been debunked or countered by "... among home-educated students applying for college", and the proportion of home schooled kids who apply for college versus those in the traditional education system is far lower, i.e. this is very self-selecting.
  - Brendinooo 10mo ago
    Where was it debunked?
AnimalMuppet 10mo ago
If you've got the statistics to validate your point, show them. If not... pot, meet kettle.
negzero7 10mo ago
This comment is so disingenuous. Few and rare?? Why would you frame it like this? Homeschoolers are better educated, more likely to get into college, and have better socialization skills than their publicly educated peers. https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/#:~:text=recruited%20by%20colleges.-,Social%2C%20Emotional%2C%20and%20Psychological%20Development,-Research%20facts%20on https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/#:~:text=r... https://chewv.org/college-preparation/college-admissions/?utm_source=chatgpt.com#:~:text=Graduation%20rates%20show%20a%20higher%20disparity%20with%2066.7%25%20of%20homeschooled%20students%20graduating%2C%20compared%20to%20a%2057.5%25%20national%20average. https://chewv.org/college-preparation/college-admissions/?ut... https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/?utm_source=chatgpt.com#:~:text=The%20home-educated%20typically%20score%2015%20to%2025%20percentile%20points%20above%20public-school%20students%20on%20standardized%20academic%20achievement%20tests%20(Ray%2C%202010%2C%202015%2C%202017%3B%20Ray%20%26%20Hoelzle%2C%202024). https://nheri.org/research-facts-on-homeschooling/?utm_sourc...
- FireBeyond 10mo ago
  They're not more likely to get into college as a whole. In fact, they apply to college a lot less. But in that subset, against public education as a whole, then yes, they do better. You may want to look wider afield than homeschooling advocacy and lobbyist groups for your stats.