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"Suddenly, drivers find themselves pulled over — often for reasons cited such as speeding, failure to signal, the wrong window tint or even a dangling air fresh

by codegeek 10mo ago

"Suddenly, drivers find themselves pulled over — often for reasons cited such as speeding, failure to signal, the wrong window tint or even a dangling air freshener blocking the view. They are then aggressively questioned and searched, with no inkling that the roads they drove put them on law enforcement’s radar." Wow, this is incredibly concerning. So they can pull me over, lie about why and then try to manufacture something ?

tclancy 10mo ago
Yes, it's very important to let them lie about it or else they will have to reveal the actual giant surveillance state and all the technology behind it and that would cause us to lose WWII. Oh wait, I think we just did, given what the Coast Guard has been up to today. https://www.juneauindependent.com/post/coast-guard-says-swastika-is-no-longer-a-hate-symbol https://www.juneauindependent.com/post/coast-guard-says-swas...
LocalH 10mo ago
It should be illegal for law enforcement not currently participating in a proper sting operation to lie to the person they wish to investigate. But it's not.
- FuriouslyAdrift 10mo ago
  It is in some jurisdictions. In Illinois and Oregon, laws have been passed that prohibit law enforcement officers from using deception when dealing with suspects under the age of 18. Other states, such as Washington, Connecticut, Delaware, and New York, are considering similar legislation that may extend these prohibitions to all individuals being interrogated. https://www.timesleaderonline.com/uncategorized/2022/11/police-are-allowed-to-legally-lie-to-you-in-some-states/ https://www.timesleaderonline.com/uncategorized/2022/11/poli...
adolph 10mo ago
> Wow, this is incredibly concerning. So they can pull me over, lie about why and then try to manufacture something? Parallel construction is a law enforcement process of building a parallel, or separate, evidentiary basis for a criminal investigation in order to limit disclosure as to the origins of an investigation. In the US, a particular form is evidence laundering, where one police officer obtains evidence via means that are in violation of the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, and then passes it on to another officer, who builds on it and gets it accepted by the court under the good-faith exception as applied to the second officer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
avidiax 10mo ago
Wait until you hear about parallel construction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/feb/03/dea-parallel-construction-guides/ https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/feb/03/dea-paral...
ActorNightly 10mo ago
>Wow, this is incredibly concerning. Well, maybe now you understand that when people were saying Trump is an actual fascist, it wasn't just memes. Its only gonna get worse. At some point, CBP is gonna shoot someone, nothing is gonna happen, and that will be the turning point of when they can just arbitrarily start shooting citizens with no repercussion. If you don't have a plan to GTFO the country by now, you are behind.
- r2_pilot 10mo ago
  Not CBP but see Carlos Jimenez for an example of what's currently happening.

tclancy 10mo ago

Yes, it's very important to let them lie about it or else they will have to reveal the actual giant surveillance state and all the technology behind it and that would cause us to lose WWII. Oh wait, I think we just did, given what the Coast Guard has been up to today. https://www.juneauindependent.com/post/coast-guard-says-swastika-is-no-longer-a-hate-symbol https://www.juneauindependent.com/post/coast-guard-says-swas...

LocalH 10mo ago

It should be illegal for law enforcement not currently participating in a proper sting operation to lie to the person they wish to investigate. But it's not.

FuriouslyAdrift 10mo ago
It is in some jurisdictions. In Illinois and Oregon, laws have been passed that prohibit law enforcement officers from using deception when dealing with suspects under the age of 18. Other states, such as Washington, Connecticut, Delaware, and New York, are considering similar legislation that may extend these prohibitions to all individuals being interrogated. https://www.timesleaderonline.com/uncategorized/2022/11/police-are-allowed-to-legally-lie-to-you-in-some-states/ https://www.timesleaderonline.com/uncategorized/2022/11/poli...

adolph 10mo ago

> Wow, this is incredibly concerning. So they can pull me over, lie about why and then try to manufacture something? Parallel construction is a law enforcement process of building a parallel, or separate, evidentiary basis for a criminal investigation in order to limit disclosure as to the origins of an investigation. In the US, a particular form is evidence laundering, where one police officer obtains evidence via means that are in violation of the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches and seizures, and then passes it on to another officer, who builds on it and gets it accepted by the court under the good-faith exception as applied to the second officer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

avidiax 10mo ago

Wait until you hear about parallel construction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/feb/03/dea-parallel-construction-guides/ https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/feb/03/dea-paral...

ActorNightly 10mo ago

>Wow, this is incredibly concerning. Well, maybe now you understand that when people were saying Trump is an actual fascist, it wasn't just memes. Its only gonna get worse. At some point, CBP is gonna shoot someone, nothing is gonna happen, and that will be the turning point of when they can just arbitrarily start shooting citizens with no repercussion. If you don't have a plan to GTFO the country by now, you are behind.

r2_pilot 10mo ago
Not CBP but see Carlos Jimenez for an example of what's currently happening.