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Already addressed: "While the family spells its last name with a B, the New York Times stylebook spells Hapsburg with a P, which brought no shortage of scolding
by sweettea 10mo ago
Already addressed: "While the family spells its last name with a B, the New York Times stylebook spells Hapsburg with a P, which brought no shortage of scolding emails upon publication."
- steve1977 10mo agoAddressed, but not fixed.
- monerozcash 10mo agoIt's not at all unusual for English-language press to anglicize names.
- steve1977 10mo agoBut it's not any more anglicized than Habsburg would be. I mean, English does have a letter B, doesn't it? And as far as I know, the difference between B and P is the same as in German.
- monerozcash 10mo agoThe first "B" in "Habsburg" is pronounced rather more like the letter "P" than the letter "B".
- steve1977 10mo agoNot where I live (which is near Habsburg). I would pronounce it the same as the B in -burg. Where are you from (if you care to answer, no problem if not)
- monerozcash 10mo agoThat's interesting, I'm not originally German but went to school in Berlin since I was 7 and always heard it pronounced as "Haaps-burk". I'd think this is just because of how final obstruent devoicing works in German, to me it just seems like the obvious natural way to pronounce the word.
- gsf_emergency_6 10mo agoDevoicing is more common in northern dialects https://youtu.be/9-BBgc_uBZQ?t=1m11s https://youtu.be/9-BBgc_uBZQ?t=1m11s Seems to be there tho just very subtle EDIT: it's why GP is not "steffi1977" XD
- snthpy 10mo agoHow can the New Iork Tymes just choose how they spell things? That's messed up.
- renewiltord 10mo agoThese idiosyncrasies are amusing but they do have a habit of dominating the conversation. E.g. the New Yorker (I think) uses diaeresis to represent distinct syllables resulting in words like “Cooperate” being decorated. Or that chap here who insists on using 5 digit years. But some go missed. My personal favourite is that I prefer to fully close clauses within quotations. > The President said, “I will never bomb the moon!”.
- monerozcash 10mo agoThe same way they just choose to anglicize Владимир Путин and בִּנְיָמִין נְתַנְיָהוּ, although there are certainly a plenty of much better examples.
- hurfdurf 10mo agoThe Habsburg Family never used a different writing system, though.
- tanseydavid 10mo agoBut I bet they used the metric system!
- steve1977 10mo agoProbably, but only since the 19th century ;)
- monerozcash 10mo agoThey did use a different language with different pronunciation rules, though. I'm not convinced that sticking with the original spelling is obviously better. Bibis’s first name certainly doesn't accurately transliterate to Benjamin, and that's probably fine.