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> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It'

• thewebguyd 10mo ago
  Exactly. It's not that everyone is saying "AI is completely worthless, get rid of it." It has it's use cases, I certainly benefit from LLMs in my job every day. That doesn't mean I want it plastered everywhere, in every app or website. That doesn't mean I want to interact with or use my computer via AI, and I especially don't want to talk to my computer to do things. Mouse & keyboard is faster. But for now at least you can just choose not to use it. The problem is, Microsoft is putting 100% of their efforts into this while long-standing Windows bugs and regressions still exist. They're aware they exist too, and are deliberately choosing not to improve their product.
• atomicnumber3 10mo ago
  "we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AIwe can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI" But we can't. I can have something styled as a conversation with a token predictor that emits text that, if interpreted as a conversation, will gaslight you constantly, while at best sometimes being accidentally correct (but still requiring double-checking with an actual source). Yes, I am uninterested in having the gaslighting machine installed into every single UI I see in my life.
  • throwuxiytayq 10mo ago
    You seem severely confused about how low the probability of being “accidentally correct” is for almost any real life task that you can imagine.
  • hodgehog11 10mo ago
    LLMs are severely overhyped, have many problems, and I don't want them in my face anymore than the average person. But we're not in 2023 anymore. These kinds of comments just come off ignorant.
    • i80and 10mo ago
      I dunno, I'm not fully anti-LLM, but almost every interaction I have with an LLM-augmented system still at some point involves it confidently asserting plainly false things, and I don't think the parent is that far off base.
      • ewoodrich 10mo ago
        Agreed, some days I code for 4-6 hours with agentic tools but 2025 or not I still can't stomach using any of the big three LLMs for all but the most superficial research questions (and I currently pay/get access to all three paid chatbots). Even if they were right 9/10 (which is far from certain depending on the topic) and save me a minute or two compared to Google + skim/read-ing a couple websites, it's completely overshadowed by the 1/10 time they calmly and confidently lie about whether tool X supports feature Y and send me on a wild goose chase looking through docs for something that simply does not exist. In my personal experience the most consistently unreliable questions are those that would be most directly useful for my work, and for my interests/hobbies I'd rather read a quality source myself. Because, well, I enjoy reading! So the value proposition for "LLM as Google/forum/Wikipedia replacement" is very, very weak for me.
    • rsynnott 10mo ago
      There are two types of LLM defender; those who claim that it’ll be non-shit soon, just keep believing, and those who claim that it is already non-shit and the complainer is just stuck in year-1 where year is the current year. Given that this has now been going on for a few years, both are wearing thin. Like, I’m sorry, but the current crop of bullshit generators are not good. They’re just not. I’m not even convinced they’re improving at this point; if anything the output has become more stylistically offputting, and they’re still just as open to spouting complete nonsense.
• themafia 10mo ago
  I am unimpressed with it. If I wanted to steal code off stack overflow I can do that myself. Another layer of indirection has negative value. I can generate images that are difficult to use commercially. I can analyze something with AI but I can't confidently use that output in any setting that matters. For people who are attempting to engage in profitable work then AI is miserably unimpressive. I don't know what planet this guy is living on. Time is money. Flowery emails and off axis summaries can only create a waste of that time.
• Nevermark 10mo ago
  > sneaking its way into where it's not wanted This. After a generation of social media sneaking its surveillance, manipulation, and noisy ads into our home, work and mobile lives, it is very obvious that having something "smart" shoved into tools where it wasn't asked for isn't some noble attempt at improving lives. Users are tired of being continually and transparently abused. All Microsoft would have to do to shock the world and get months of good press is announce they were never going to opt anybody into anything by default any more. At this point that would be considered astonishing. And suddenly, internal incentives would be to create useful, conflict-free capabilities users actually choose for themselves.
  • thewebguyd 10mo ago
    > All Microsoft would have to do to shock the world and get months of good press is announce they were never going to opt anybody into anything by default any more. At this point that would be considered astonishing. One can dream. I manage M365 where I work, and MS never opting tenants into anything by default again would save me many hours of work on a seemingly weekly basis now. The fact that they can abuse even their enterprise customers and still retain them is what blows my mind.
    • tacticus 10mo ago
      > The fact that they can abuse even their enterprise customers and still retain them is what blows my mind. The large org dependency on 365 and microsoft is a serious info-security and national security risk. 0 interest in improving because they know they won't ever see competition
      • thewebguyd 10mo ago
        > they won't ever see competition Not that Google is any better, but I really want Google to put more effort into Workspace/GSuite and bring it up on par with M365 and all it includes, at least make Microsoft sweat a little bit that one day there might be a possibility for a competing product that can lure enterprises away. Workspace needs better DLP controls, and more of the enterprise-y things that MS wins at, and a bundled MDM that can manage all OSes, and better identity. Even if the behemoths won't switch due to re-training & switching costs, MS desperately needs a competitor in this space. Barring that, they need to be broken up and forced to sell each bundled product separately and priced appropriately. Otherwise, who can compete with getting MDM, Identity, 2TB personal storage, 2TB sharepoint storage, Teams, DLP, EDR all for $22/user/month.
• anon7000 10mo ago
  It’s partly that, but it’s also partly that the quality SUCKS. I’m frustrated with AI blogspam because it doesn’t in any way help me figure out whatever I’m researching. It’s such low quality. What I want and need is higher quality primary sources — in depth research, investigation, presented in an engaging way. Or with movies and shows, I want something genuine. With a genuine story that feels real, characters that feel real and motivated. AI is fake, it feels fake, and it’s obvious. It’s mind blowing to me that executives think people want fake crap. Sure, people are susceptible to it, and get engaged by it, but it’s not exactly what people want or aspire to. I want something real, something that makes me feel. AI generated content is by definition fake and not genuine. A human is by definition not putting as much thought and effort into their work when they use AI. Now someone could put a lot of thought and effort into a project and also use gen AI, but that’s not what’s getting spammed across the internet. AI is low-effort, so of course the pure volume of low effort garbage is going to surpass the volume of high effort quality content. So it’s basically not possible to like what AI is putting out, generally speaking. As a productivity enhancer in a small role, sure it’s useful, but that’s not what we’re complaining about.
  • le-mark 10mo ago
    I experimented with some ai generated political spam on YouTube. The reality is a lot of people can’t tell the difference or don’t care. Given the demographic this site selects for, it’s easy to forget how many dumb people there are in the world.
    • o11c 10mo ago
      Remember that even ELIZA fooled people. That doesn't make it useful, unless you think fooling people is itself a goal.
      • ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
        Unfortunately, there's whole industries built around fooling people. It seems to me that we select for people who are good at fooling people and they become wealthy and successful. What would be nice is if we could start selecting for knowledgeable, helpful and useful people instead where insane amounts of money might actually bring some benefit to humanity rather than being spent on plunging us into dystopia.
• frmersdog 10mo ago
  It's also not very good at any of those things, if you ask it to generate something far enough outside of the mainstream, or something particular, or something consistent, or- But, yeah, the insistence that we deprecate every other even remotely-connected resource (including other people) in order to supplicate ourselves to corporate desires is aggravating. You got a lot of the same pushback with VR. VR is really, really cool. Having your reality mediated by large corporations with a history of user-hostile behavior is not. Them not taking no for an answer feels violating.
  • vrighter 10mo ago
    I tried to get into machine learning and started out simple. A network of two inputs, and one output. The function to learn was a heart-shaped SDF. I generated training samples from the +/-1 range of coordinates. For such a relatively simple thing it either didn't converge, or when it did, it got decent error rates. But try feeding it a coordinate outside its training range and it very very very quickly starts outputting total nonsense. This exercise taught me that despite whatever they keep telling us, this shit will never generalize.
• foobarian 10mo ago
  The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluid gameplay experience of the latest entry in the Diablo franchise in the palm of our hands was mindblowing to someone as well. "Don't you people have phones?"
  • thewebguyd 10mo ago
    Well, Blizzard is Microsoft now so I guess they belong together. Ironically though, Diablo Immortal was a huge commercial success despite the tone deaf announcement. I don't think MS will experience the same though. They're quickly going to be left with the only people using windows are those who are forced by their employer, no one will willingly choose it over other options.
    • rincebrain 10mo ago
      I think what people misunderstand is that this is probably an active goal of theirs. Similar to how Microsoft has decided there's no money to be made in console hardware and is trying to spin their Xbox brand into a software service brand they can slap on other things, I think they've decided that making a consumer OS has no money in it, and all the minmaxing of squeezing at the moment is them trying to extract the last drips of money while trying to drive people elsewhere. I could be wrong, I'm not a journalist with sources at the company or something, but looking at it from the outside, this seems like the moves you'd make to drive people off your platform over time so you can kill it while having plausible deniability that you're not trying to do that, you definitely genuinely believe everyone wants you to opt them into everything every time you push an update. In particular, I don't think having the kinds of enormous tire fires on update releases over this long without radical reinvestment in avoiding that happening in the future is what you do if you're trying to build something you're still dealing with another 10-20 years from now.
      • queenkjuul 10mo ago
        It seems like they had the right idea with Windows 10 (our consumer OS is now just a loss-leader we put out for free as a way to market Office/OneDrive/Visual Studio etc) but they've completely about-faced with 11. Which yeah, could be a sign they're wanting to kill the consumer segment i guess.
• giancarlostoro 10mo ago
  What a gaslighting king this CEO is, the concern isn't how functional the AI is, the concern is AI just downloading any and all PERSONAL AND PRIVATE files on a whim, with no guard rails. What if I have photographs of my kids I've never uploaded anywhere EVER because I don't want them anywhere outside of MY DEVICE, does Microsoft just magically get to suck in those files and own them? Wild. Its this shenanigans that forced me to nuke my Windows install and go Arch. I noticed that Windows Defender will upload "suspicious" files and there's no audit trail of what's being uploaded. So I have no way of knowing what personal documents or even proprietary software has gone up to their cloud.
• Saris 10mo ago
  I would be impressed if AI was actually 'super smart' but what we have now is not.
  • FridgeSeal 10mo ago
    But Sam promised us the gpt5 was a PhD level intelligence! Now excuse me while I go talk to my PhD wielding friend about whether the seahorse emoji exists. /s
    • rsynnott 10mo ago
      That one always felt like the bubble jumping the shark to me. Like, what does “phd level intelligence” mean? I nearly did a phd. If I had, would I have levelled up by 10 intelligence points? Such obvious nonsense.
  • monegator 10mo ago
    Yeah, too many people conflate intelligence with notionism
• danaris 10mo ago
  Exactly. Even if we grant what he says (I don't fully agree)—that doesn't warrant putting that kind of "conversational engine" in Windows as a first-class citizen. I don't want to have a conversation with my computer about my Word docs. I just want to write my Word docs. I don't want to have a conversation with my computer about the quarterly report. I certainly don't want it making up values for the quarterly report. I just want to write the quarterly report. Having a conversation with a computer is cool. It's a fun party trick. If there were a way to reliably get it to know about all of my things, without the concern that it would then take all that data and feed it to its mothership, I might want to be able to converse with it about those things, under certain circumstances. But, yes: if I want AI I'll actively seek it out and use it. Stop acting like me being upset that it's getting shoved in everywhere is the same as me saying "this is a meaningless achievement."
  • bradleyankrom 10mo ago
    It sounds like a terrible friend that you can't trust but also can't expel from your life.
• crote 10mo ago
  > It's not that people are unimpressed with AI Oh no, I am definitely unimpressed. That AI you can have a sorta-kinda fluent conversation with is often a complete moron and a habitual liar, and the images it generates are awful - did he not see how horrible that Coke ad looked? It'll probably end up useful in a bunch of applications soon-ish and I'll probably want to use it eventually, but in the meantime their AI is flooding the internet with absolute garbage, and they are literally shoving AI in my face at every opportunity they get. It is painfully clear that people just aren't that interested, and they are getting increasingly desperate about finding ways to recoup their massive investments. But people aren't going to magically become enthusiastic about eating rotten garbage if you just keep stuffing it in their mouth! If anything, their current approach is only going to make people hate AI even more. But they are in too deep, and admitting defeat and scaling it down until they have an actually good product that people genuinely want means seeing their stock price crater because they will have "lost" the "AI race". Their only option to avoid an immediate collapse is to keep lying through their teeth and keep trying to pretend that it is absolutely amazing and that you just must use it. Or maybe the CEOs are completely delusional and genuinely believe what they are selling - I'm not sure which one is worse.
  • throwawa14223 10mo ago
    It's just Eliza. Once you toy with it and see the patterns it is just Eliza with more power behind it.
    • EFreethought 10mo ago
      Why do you think it's like Eliza?
  • bluefirebrand 10mo ago
    > If anything, their current approach is only going to make people hate AI even more Personally I'm long past hating AI I am pretty much at the point of viewing AI research and development as a crime against humanity I hope I will turn out to be wrong, but as things are going right now all I can see is this path leads to misery for the vast majority of living humans.
• 1vuio0pswjnm7 10mo ago
  "If I want AI I'll actively seek it out and use it - otherwise, jog on." If I want MS Windows I'll actively seek it out and use it - otherwise, jog on If this is not a statement you can make, then Redmond gets to decide what you use, not you
  • userbinator 10mo ago
    Linux and Mac users would disagree.
  • 1vuio0pswjnm7 10mo ago
    If you cannot choose another OS besides Windows, then you are stuck with whatever Redmond decides
    • stalfosknight 10mo ago
      You can choose another operating system. No one is forcing you to reward Microsoft for their bullshit.
  • 1vuio0pswjnm7 10mo ago
    Usually complaints about changes to Microsoft software come from people who are using the software It's possible that Linux or MacOS users might complain about new "AI features" in MS Windows, but more likely it is MS Windows users who are complaining If it's possible for a computer user to switch between OS, then there is less reason to complain. Those users can make the statement, "If I want to use MS Windows, I will actively seek it out and use it, otherwise [I will not]" For example, "I do not like this Microsoft "AI feature" so I'll use MacOS instead" (possible for user to switch OS) versus "I do not like this Microsoft "AI feature" so I'll complain to Microsoft via online comment forums" (stuck using WIndows OS, no choice) If you cannot make the statement "If I want MS Windows, then I'll use it, otherwise I will use something else" then Redmond, not you, makes the decisions on what you will use, including "AI features" you may not like Because if you use Windows, chances are you have "auutomatic updates" enabled This allows Redmond to install new software on your computer whenever they like, e.g., "updates"
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• jinushaun 10mo ago
  I use AI everyday and it’s now integral to my workflow. However, even I still hate the hype train and having it constantly stuffed down my throat. Nevermind AI slop. Windows 11 is already adware. No wonder people are complaining about more ads.
• ryandrake 10mo ago
  Instead of "pushing back" I wish he'd actually listen to and address his critics' points. He is deliberately and disingenuously missing the point. It's not that the features aren't good (maybe they are, maybe they aren't). It's about how coercive Microsoft and Windows are with its users, and this exec is failing to address that one. Just once, I'd like to hear a question get through to these assholes asking them why they are forcing so many unwanted things onto their users. From Microsoft accounts to forced windows updates to Recall... Gone are the days when users had any control over what their computers are running. But these kinds of questions never seem to get through to them.
  • SoftTalker 10mo ago
    It’s a lost cause. Just stop using Windows. That’s the only message that will be heard.
  • willis936 10mo ago
    They only understand one thing: shareholder value. This dude's panicking because he knows how bad the next quarterly report looks when this strategy resulted in a hemorrhaging userbase. This is an expression of a stage of grief.
    • arlcode 10mo ago
      But it won't will it? They can essentially force users to receive and pay for any of their AI features. It worked so far and there is no reason to believe it will stop working anytime soon. People are just taking it and this guy knows it. The fact that I and a few others don't, doesn't even register in Microsofts bottom line. The lesson learned is that you don't really have to care about your users right now. I'm certain there is a breaking point for that as well but until there are any indications that it is reached we probably must be glad that they are not outright insulting their users and/or charging them an additional 5 dollars a month for "disrespecting Microsoft".
      • willis936 10mo ago
        Of course it registers. You wouldn't have a CEO putting out panicked outbursts otherwise.
• ewoodrich 10mo ago
  Reminds me of the classic in the genre: how about a couple of weeks of gratitude for magic intelligence in the sky, and then you can have more toys soon? Sam Altman, Sep 12, 2024 https://xcancel.com/sama/status/1834351981881950234?lang=en https://xcancel.com/sama/status/1834351981881950234?lang=en
• alfalfasprout 10mo ago
  Well, and companies are papering over usability problems with AI. LLMs are not a substitute for good human-centric design. It's almost as if all the focus has been on eliminating the human... for products designed for humans.
• perryizgr8 10mo ago
  I have never in my entire life wanted to "generate an image or video". I like taking photographs and recording videos because they represent the reality of my life. Who would ever want to "generate" fake images as a matter of normal daily activities?
  • nik282000 10mo ago
    Management, marketing, HR. People who want to send a message without having any kind of responsibility for it.
  • arlcode 10mo ago
    That is indeed a really weird statement from them. I mostly engage with text based social media or highly technical content so I know that I'm not exactly in the center of the bell curve. I can see a use case for "AI let's go finding me holiday destination and help me plan my travel and stay". I can also see people wanting to "improve" images and videos etc to remove "blemishes". But straight up generating random images and videos as content center pieces? That seems like a niche at best unless it's unwittingly done through the "algorithm".
• hliyan 10mo ago
  This is where a lot of people are. In my case, every time I open a PDF in Google Drive, it forces an AI summary of the doc with no way for me to switch it off. I try to close it mid-generation, but I suspect not fast enough to keep it from getting counted in the usage stats, which is probably what some product manager is trying to maximize and demonstrate ("X number of PDF summarizations this quarter").
• rustystump 10mo ago
  When have i ever wanted my os to “generate any image i want!” This is like a chef being confused why people dont like the shoes he made them. Why did he make hungry people shoes? Certainly not to eat?
• SoftTalker 10mo ago
  This is the fundamental misunderstanding that the AI techies have. Normal people don’t want a “conversation“ with a computer. Conversations happen between people. Computers, at best, receive orders and carry them out. They are tools, not companions, and they should do nothing unless explicitly told to do it.
  • Grimblewald 10mo ago
    I wouldnt mind if the conversations actually were smart, not sycophantic, or were otherwise useful. I find more often than not it creates more work for me than it saves me, and even if i were to break even on time invested i lose massively on comprehension/understanding.
    • pndy 10mo ago
      I'd rather see this technology being used as a method of input and control of the machine, just like keyboard, mouse and monitor is. Without humanized bits of conversation or suggestions, exaggerated remarks like "Got it!" - you would ask OS to preform a task and it would do what was told. And if I'd want to have a specific question or task I'd use some dedicated application that would stay dormant up until used.
      • queenkjuul 10mo ago
        Star Trek computer remains the ultimate ideal. Basically sums up why i don't use any kind of voice assistant still. Until the computer can DO exactly and precisely what i asked -- not what it's faulty recognition model thinks i asked -- there's zero point to trying to talk to it
        • malfist 10mo ago
          I have one device in my house on Alexa called "under cabinet lights", I asked Alexa to "turn on the cabinet lights" she said "several things share the name cabinet lights, which one do you mean?" (As if there's enough information there to answer the question) I told her "all of them" thinking maybe the lights got duplicated or something. She turned on every smart home light in the house. . That isn't your ideal world?
• Grimblewald 10mo ago
  Sex is great, but if you constabtly try to force it on me, sneak it into deals we make, or while i sleep etc. it will leave me quite hostile towards the topic, and that's where we are at. Consent is important in all things, no less here.
  • malfist 10mo ago
    I think if A Brave New World was written today, soma wouldn't just be available, megacorps would force it on people.
  • hat_monger 10mo ago
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• tavavex 10mo ago
  > It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. Does anyone here know what this arguing tactic is called? It's used by tech leadership all over the world, all the time. Weaponized obtuseness, maybe? The core of it is that you always have to pretend that everyone is basically on board with what you're doing, just don't blink and pretend that real criticism of your product is simply nonexistent, like a ghost. It's about rolling out a change to existing workflows that no one asked for, getting drowned in a sea of "No, we don't want this, do not change this because of these reasons", and then hosting a Q&A session where you pretend that everyone actually is already in love with the idea, everyone wants it, it's just that a few pesky detractors have minor, easily-addressable concerns like "we don't think it's impressive enough yet (but we're totally on board)" or "what about <pick one of the easiest-to-address technical issues here>?". They must do this consciously, right?
  • pylotlight 10mo ago
    "strategic deflection through nuanced framing" or simply "deflective reframing" perhaps.
  • m463 10mo ago
    "A lie told often enough becomes the truth." - Vladimir Lenin - or - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_truth_effect
  • paradoxyl 10mo ago
    Maybe a subtle form of gaslighting with features of victim blaming and argument from authority? Microsoft treats its users and customers with utter contempt. I hope Valve takes this opportunity to turn its toehold with Steam OS into a full-blown invasion of the desktop/laptop market and destroy Microsoft's monopoly while the latter is so focused on creating everything an actual user doesn't want: - virulent data mining - wanton privacy destruction - worthless UIX changes - clumsy, useless "agentic" integrations - disgustingly overpriced "licenses" - software as a service - planned obsolescence etc.
• mgh2 10mo ago
  Such hubris, seeing everything from HIS perspective, without taking into account the users. It is no wonder Microsoft keeps shipping crap - you can convince and push down B2B products to enterprise's throats, when their user's salaries are dependent on bosses who just care about image, with open budgets to fund whatever is sold to them to increase the bottom line. This is less effective on consumers.
• curvaturearth 10mo ago
  A fluent conversation was a great party trick but the novelty has worn thin. It had some value but overall having to have a conversation with a tool to get something done is frustrating. Like tasking a junior employee on their first day with advanced tasks and wondering why they keep missing the mark. I want a tool not an opinionated support unit, and often will stop that conversational experience by prompting it away. Having to do that is annoying. I personally also don't have much use for generating images and videos, at least not regularly. I feel like they want us to use AI tools full time, when really we just need to jump in and use them when required, which might be quite infrequently (obviously dependent on circumstance). But who is going to pay the huge cost of having the tools available when you do want them? So yeah, agreed. Stop making it hard for me to use my tool without accidentally engaging the LLM integration or just flat out forcing it's usage. I don't want that future price hike that comes with LLMs
• doubtfuluser 10mo ago
  I think this is a super important point. Working on ai I’m really wondering where this will actually end in the case of our media consumption, AI is being used to generate more engaging content, this will imply ai will be almost a requirement to stay visible, so more ai will be used. In the end little to no “real content” will make it through. Will there be a moment where people will leave social networks to get “real content” again? Will that be safe from AI optimization then? Are we seeing the start of the demise of social media?
• chenzhekl 10mo ago
  Isn’t it just that people are unimpressed with Microsoft Copilot? I’ve always felt that other models work quite well. If the implementation on their side has issues, they shouldn’t blame users for disliking it.
  • wkat4242 10mo ago
    Yes copilot is a lot dumber than chatgpt which is really curious because it's basically a wrapper around... Chatgpt.... I guess they just put really tight limits on compute per request which hurts its performance.
• pjmlp 10mo ago
  Also on this side, on consulting agencies now it seems everyone is getting evaluation KPIs regarding AI use on project work, even when it doesn't make sense for the delivery scenario.
• Lio 10mo ago
  Yep it’s a fluent conversation with an arsehole you can’t get away from and who’s constantly trying to get one over you. The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy was supposed to be a comically bad vision of the future not a blueprint.
• freshnode 10mo ago
  100% this. Useful tool sure, don't need it to be in everything all the time for no reason.
• Balinares 10mo ago
  That and, a circus dog playing the piano may certainly qualify as mind-blowing in the context of circus, but if you make it your project to generally replace pianists with dogs concert-goers will rightly tell you to go lick nettles.
• bmacho 10mo ago
  > It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. Isn't it just the second person? If there were just a Generate button/tab without explicitly addressing me and asking/begging I wouldn't mind it.
• chistev 10mo ago
  My Google chrome browser on my phone yesterday suddenly now has an AI mode.
• lm28469 10mo ago
  I'm less weary of people not giving a shit about it than people making llms/generative ai their whole personality Grown adults spamming the web about this new model from Megacorp X, being all giggly about the new PeLiCaN On A BiCyClE being 0.000017% more realistic than the previous version... get a life No one gives a shit outside of these nerds, all people want is less work and more free time, they don't give a shit about your generated "art", or how fast this new model solved a problem they didn't know existed 12 seconds ago
• ssss11 10mo ago
  “Would you like me to summarise this email?” No. Go away.
• epolanski 10mo ago
  On top of that: it seems like Microsoft (and Google too) is doing its best at alienating customers with those measures. Everything is now either accessing your data directly and you have to opt-out or you can't even opt out at all. This AI rush/push is also permeating every line and product: from the office suite, to github, to vscode, and even open source tools are getting AI shoved in, like Playwright, and it feels everything else is an afterthought. It seems Nadya is making a Ballmer-level play. Ballmer had the right intuition: that Microsoft had to move its focus from the desktop to the cloud. But the execution was poor. Now history's repeating.
  • sheepscreek 10mo ago
    It’s a perception problem AMPLIFIED by a trust problem. People don’t trust Microsoft. Or at least they trust Google more than they trust Microsoft. For a small period of time, I was actually using Edge + Copilot everyday (and it was decent) but their competition has improved so much and appears WAY more privacy focused. I know that Sam Altman is trying hard to stay within the bounds of people’s trust, which once broken is hard to replace (he even said so in an interview).
    • BizarroLand 10mo ago
      I'll trust Sam Altman as far as I can throw him. For now he doesn't seem like a bad actor in the AI industry. However, the moment it becomes more sustainably profitable to grow a mustache and start wearing monocles he likely will, and if he doesn't he'll be ousted and replaced by someone far worse.
      • epolanski 10mo ago
        > For now he doesn't seem like a bad actor in the AI industry. You may want to take a closer look at Altman's persona.
        • BizarroLand 10mo ago
          I did specifically filter for "actor in the AI industry"
• duxup 10mo ago
  I just got a "try gemini in google chrome" pop up and the only option was to try or "remind me later". Even just the remind me later option gives me such a horrible vibe. F off Google and respect my choice.
• scrubs 10mo ago
  Agree - argue with customers at your own peril ... moreover sophisticated devs and companies want freedom from corporate control and the underlying attitude of entitlement ... a kind of campish behavior where customers buy-in to the corporate hustle which corps think customers are obligated to play along with. Nah ah ... I'll say the same thing another way: customers tell suppliers whether or not they're satisfied. They don't tell me. I tell them if I think the price is worth it. They don't tell me. Argue with me and they'll lose
• beefnugs 10mo ago
  All they have to do is sell regular "windows" and "windowsAI" as a separate product and everyone would be fine with it... but no FUCK YOU ads in your fucking start menu you stupid bitch customer. (sorry for big words, but this is how i feel they are talking to me when the base operating system I am suppose to put absolute trust in my privacy in treats me like an idiot)
• lobsterthief 10mo ago
  It’s really becoming desperate and counterproductive. I’ve had an Alfred command since 2013 where I type `wiki something` which then opens Confluence and searches for `something`. I use this to quickly search our company wiki for terms without breaking my concentration and flow. Atlassian decided to add an AI summary at the top and intentionally disable the rest of the results until the AI summary has finished rendering fully. It’s insane. How is this making me more productive? It’s just shearing off one other layer of familiarity and value I’ve enjoyed for 12 years and pushing me away from their product. Forced adoption rarely works out unless people really want the feature and don’t know that they want it. At the very least, let us disable it.
• netdevphoenix 10mo ago
  Super smart is a dilution to the word "smart". The ongoing dilution of the word "smart" and "intelligence" is going to haunt us for centuries. LLMs are better seen as the Chinese Room human in the cell combining symbols it doesn't understand
• paradox242 10mo ago
  Also, I am unimpressed.
• glaslong 10mo ago
  unfortunately for them, it doesn't matter that it's impressive, because i don't need it.