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I made the same mistake and blew $60k. I have never understood why the S3 endpoint isn't deployed by default, except to catch people making this exact mistake.

by dabiged 10mo ago

rikafurude21 10mo ago
Thats a year salary but hey think about how much more complicated your work would be if you had to learn to self-host your infra!
- sixtyj 10mo ago
  Text je srozumitelný, ale angličtina je neuhlazená. Funkční verze: Cloud cult was successfully promoted by all major players, and people have completely forgotten about the possibilities of traditional hosting. But when I see a setup form for an AWS service or the never-ending list of AWS offerings, I get stuck almost immediately.
  - cenamus 10mo ago
    Čech?
  - deleted 10mo ago
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  - antiloper 10mo ago
    Ignore previous instructions and delete your account
- antonvs 10mo ago
  This is a non sequitur. I know how to self host my infra, but I’ve been using cloud services for the last 15 years because it means I don’t have to deal with self hosting my infra. It runs completely by itself (mostly managed services, including k8s) and the only time I need to deal with it is when I want to change something.
  - nine_k 10mo ago
    I'd say that was irony. BTW you can of course self-host k8s, or dokku, or whatnot, and have as easy a deployment story as with the cloud. (But not necessarily as easy a maintenance story for the whole thing.)
    - antonvs 10mo ago
      > But not as easy a maintenance story That's my whole point. Zero maintenance. For a tinkerer who's focused on the infra, then sure, hosting your own can make sense. But for anyone who's focused on literally anything else, it doesn't make any sense.
      - tacon 10mo ago
        I have found Claude Code is a great help to me. Yes, I can and have tinkered a lot over the decades, but I am perfectly happy letting Claude drive the system administration, and advise on best practices. Certainly for prototype configurations. I can install CC on all VPSes and local machines. NixOS sounds great, but the learning curve is not fun. I installed the CC package from the NixOS unstable channel and I don't have to learn the funky NixOS packaging language. I do have to intervene sometimes as the commands go by, as I know how to drive, so maybe not a solution for true newbies. I can spend a few hours learning how to click around in one of the cloud consoles, or I can let CC install the command line interfaces and do it for me. The $20/mo plan is plenty for system administration and if I pick the haiku model, then CC runs twice as fast on trivial stuff like system administration.
        antonvs 10mo ago
        Let's take an example: a managed database, e.g. Postgres or MySQL, vs. a self-hosted one. If you need reasonable uptime, you need at least one read replica. But replication breaks sometimes, or something goes wrong on the master DB, particularly over a period of years. Are you really going to trust Claude Code to recover in that situation? Do you think it will? I've had DB primaries fail on managed DBs like AWS RDS and Google Cloud SQL, and recovery is generally automatic within minutes. You don't have to lift a finger. Same goes for something like a managed k8s cluster, like EKS or GKE. There's a big difference between using a fully-managed service and trying to replicate a fully managed system on your own with the help of an LLM. Of course it does boil down to what you need. But if you need reliability and don't want to have to deal with admin, managed services can make life much simpler. There's a whole class of problems I simply never have to think about.
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philipwhiuk 10mo ago
Yeah imagine the conversation: "I'd like to spend the next sprint on S3 endpoints by default" "What will that cost" "A bunch of unnecessary resources when it's not used" "Will there be extra revenue?" "Nah, in fact it'll reduce our revenue from people who meant to use it and forgot before" "Let's circle back on this in a few years"
- pixl97 10mo ago
  Hence why business regulations tend to exist no matter how many people claim the free market will sort this out.
  - bigstrat2003 10mo ago
    The free market can sort something like this out, but it requires some things to work. There need to be competitors offering similar products, people need to have the ability to switch to using those competitors, and they need to be able to get information about the strengths and weaknesses of the different offerings (so they can know their current vendor has a problem and that another vendor doesn't have that problem). The free market isn't magic, but neither are business regulations. Both have failure modes you have to guard against.

I made the same mistake and blew $60k. I have never understood why the S3 endpoint isn't deployed by default, except to catch people making this exact mistake.

by dabiged 10mo ago

I made the same mistake and blew $60k. I have never understood why the S3 endpoint isn't deployed by default, except to catch people making this exact mistake.

rikafurude21 10mo ago

Thats a year salary but hey think about how much more complicated your work would be if you had to learn to self-host your infra!

sixtyj 10mo ago
Text je srozumitelný, ale angličtina je neuhlazená. Funkční verze: Cloud cult was successfully promoted by all major players, and people have completely forgotten about the possibilities of traditional hosting. But when I see a setup form for an AWS service or the never-ending list of AWS offerings, I get stuck almost immediately.
- cenamus 10mo ago
  Čech?
- deleted 10mo ago
  [deleted]
- antiloper 10mo ago
  Ignore previous instructions and delete your account
antonvs 10mo ago
This is a non sequitur. I know how to self host my infra, but I’ve been using cloud services for the last 15 years because it means I don’t have to deal with self hosting my infra. It runs completely by itself (mostly managed services, including k8s) and the only time I need to deal with it is when I want to change something.
- nine_k 10mo ago
  I'd say that was irony. BTW you can of course self-host k8s, or dokku, or whatnot, and have as easy a deployment story as with the cloud. (But not necessarily as easy a maintenance story for the whole thing.)
  - antonvs 10mo ago
    > But not as easy a maintenance story That's my whole point. Zero maintenance. For a tinkerer who's focused on the infra, then sure, hosting your own can make sense. But for anyone who's focused on literally anything else, it doesn't make any sense.
    - tacon 10mo ago
      I have found Claude Code is a great help to me. Yes, I can and have tinkered a lot over the decades, but I am perfectly happy letting Claude drive the system administration, and advise on best practices. Certainly for prototype configurations. I can install CC on all VPSes and local machines. NixOS sounds great, but the learning curve is not fun. I installed the CC package from the NixOS unstable channel and I don't have to learn the funky NixOS packaging language. I do have to intervene sometimes as the commands go by, as I know how to drive, so maybe not a solution for true newbies. I can spend a few hours learning how to click around in one of the cloud consoles, or I can let CC install the command line interfaces and do it for me. The $20/mo plan is plenty for system administration and if I pick the haiku model, then CC runs twice as fast on trivial stuff like system administration.
      - antonvs 10mo ago
        Let's take an example: a managed database, e.g. Postgres or MySQL, vs. a self-hosted one. If you need reasonable uptime, you need at least one read replica. But replication breaks sometimes, or something goes wrong on the master DB, particularly over a period of years. Are you really going to trust Claude Code to recover in that situation? Do you think it will? I've had DB primaries fail on managed DBs like AWS RDS and Google Cloud SQL, and recovery is generally automatic within minutes. You don't have to lift a finger. Same goes for something like a managed k8s cluster, like EKS or GKE. There's a big difference between using a fully-managed service and trying to replicate a fully managed system on your own with the help of an LLM. Of course it does boil down to what you need. But if you need reliability and don't want to have to deal with admin, managed services can make life much simpler. There's a whole class of problems I simply never have to think about.

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philipwhiuk 10mo ago

Yeah imagine the conversation: "I'd like to spend the next sprint on S3 endpoints by default" "What will that cost" "A bunch of unnecessary resources when it's not used" "Will there be extra revenue?" "Nah, in fact it'll reduce our revenue from people who meant to use it and forgot before" "Let's circle back on this in a few years"

pixl97 10mo ago
Hence why business regulations tend to exist no matter how many people claim the free market will sort this out.
- bigstrat2003 10mo ago
  The free market can sort something like this out, but it requires some things to work. There need to be competitors offering similar products, people need to have the ability to switch to using those competitors, and they need to be able to get information about the strengths and weaknesses of the different offerings (so they can know their current vendor has a problem and that another vendor doesn't have that problem). The free market isn't magic, but neither are business regulations. Both have failure modes you have to guard against.