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It feels like you’re using “industrial food” as a pejorative, but the best chefs in the world also do not skimp on salt

by poink 10mo ago

sevg 10mo ago
> the best chefs in the world also do not skimp on salt Chefs use lots of salt to optimize for taste rather than health. (And restaurants don’t have to declare how much salt was in your meal.) That’s why it’s a bad idea to eat out and/or get take-away every day. Your salt intake would be extremely high.
- userbinator 10mo ago
  Look at the graph of life expectancy vs. average sodium intake by country, and you may be surprised.
  - bitdivision 10mo ago
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33351135/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33351135/ Correlated with life expectancy
    - userbinator 10mo ago
      Thank you, that's a newer study but the same conclusions.
  - sevg 10mo ago
    Read this and you may be surprised: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_cau...
    - userbinator 10mo ago
      That's exactly what I'm implying.
- poink 10mo ago
  Are we pretending that optimizing for taste is a bad thing? It’s obviously bad to eat super salty “ultraprocessed” food all the time, but it’s not like the salt is the primary problem To take OP’s example, I’d much rather kids eat generously salted broccoli that is “optimized for taste” rather than unsalted mac & cheese, regardless of whether they just throw it away (which I probably would, too)
  - sevg 10mo ago
    > It feels like you’re using “industrial food” as a pejorative, but the best chefs in the world also do not skimp on salt Your first comment that kicked off this sub-thread missed the context. We’re talking about school food kids eat every day, not occasional restaurant meals. So the appeal to authority of “best chefs in the world” doesn’t make sense here. My point wasn’t that taste is bad, it’s that when you optimize solely for taste like restaurants do (using high salt, high fat etc without disclosure), you can create health problems when consumed daily.
    - margalabargala 10mo ago
      > My point wasn’t that taste is bad, it’s that when you optimize solely for taste like restaurants do (using high salt, high fat etc without disclosure), you can create health problems when consumed daily. Your implication is that high salt in meals causes these health problems. It does not. You might as well say high vitamin, high nurrient meal. Don't conflate the effects of eating ultraprocessed foods with the effects of eating salt just because one often contains the other. What you're doing is complaining about the health effects of water, having observed that soda is mostly water.
      - sevg 10mo ago
        Nice strawman. I didn’t mention ultra-processed foods :) If anyone else is reading this and wants to do their own reading about the effects of salt, I can point you to the WHO, the NHS, the FDA, one of many highly cited studies, and wikipedia: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sodium-reduction https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sodium-redu... https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-types/salt-in-your-diet/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-types/salt-in-you... https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-food-labeling-and-critical-foods/sodium-reduction-food-supply https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-food-labeling-and-critica... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267338249_Global_sodium_consumption_and_death_from_cardiovascular_causes https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267338249_Global_so... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_salt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_salt Though, margalabargala, if you don’t believe in science then I can’t help you :)
dyauspitr 10mo ago
The best chefs in the world generally don’t make healthy food, they make food that tastes good. High end restaurants usually use a lot of salt and butter.

It feels like you’re using “industrial food” as a pejorative, but the best chefs in the world also do not skimp on salt

by poink 10mo ago

It feels like you’re using “industrial food” as a pejorative, but the best chefs in the world also do not skimp on salt

sevg 10mo ago

> the best chefs in the world also do not skimp on salt Chefs use lots of salt to optimize for taste rather than health. (And restaurants don’t have to declare how much salt was in your meal.) That’s why it’s a bad idea to eat out and/or get take-away every day. Your salt intake would be extremely high.

userbinator 10mo ago
Look at the graph of life expectancy vs. average sodium intake by country, and you may be surprised.
- bitdivision 10mo ago
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33351135/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33351135/ Correlated with life expectancy
  - userbinator 10mo ago
    Thank you, that's a newer study but the same conclusions.
- sevg 10mo ago
  Read this and you may be surprised: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_cau...
  - userbinator 10mo ago
    That's exactly what I'm implying.
poink 10mo ago
Are we pretending that optimizing for taste is a bad thing? It’s obviously bad to eat super salty “ultraprocessed” food all the time, but it’s not like the salt is the primary problem To take OP’s example, I’d much rather kids eat generously salted broccoli that is “optimized for taste” rather than unsalted mac & cheese, regardless of whether they just throw it away (which I probably would, too)
- sevg 10mo ago
  > It feels like you’re using “industrial food” as a pejorative, but the best chefs in the world also do not skimp on salt Your first comment that kicked off this sub-thread missed the context. We’re talking about school food kids eat every day, not occasional restaurant meals. So the appeal to authority of “best chefs in the world” doesn’t make sense here. My point wasn’t that taste is bad, it’s that when you optimize solely for taste like restaurants do (using high salt, high fat etc without disclosure), you can create health problems when consumed daily.
  - margalabargala 10mo ago
    > My point wasn’t that taste is bad, it’s that when you optimize solely for taste like restaurants do (using high salt, high fat etc without disclosure), you can create health problems when consumed daily. Your implication is that high salt in meals causes these health problems. It does not. You might as well say high vitamin, high nurrient meal. Don't conflate the effects of eating ultraprocessed foods with the effects of eating salt just because one often contains the other. What you're doing is complaining about the health effects of water, having observed that soda is mostly water.
    - sevg 10mo ago
      Nice strawman. I didn’t mention ultra-processed foods :) If anyone else is reading this and wants to do their own reading about the effects of salt, I can point you to the WHO, the NHS, the FDA, one of many highly cited studies, and wikipedia: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sodium-reduction https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sodium-redu... https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-types/salt-in-your-diet/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/food-types/salt-in-you... https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-food-labeling-and-critical-foods/sodium-reduction-food-supply https://www.fda.gov/food/nutrition-food-labeling-and-critica... https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267338249_Global_sodium_consumption_and_death_from_cardiovascular_causes https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267338249_Global_so... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_salt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_salt Though, margalabargala, if you don’t believe in science then I can’t help you :)

dyauspitr 10mo ago

The best chefs in the world generally don’t make healthy food, they make food that tastes good. High end restaurants usually use a lot of salt and butter.