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You need a Solar Radiance map to say thay. Latitude is a factor, but so is climate. Here's an example: https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/ https://re.jrc

by t_tsonev 10mo ago

You need a Solar Radiance map to say thay. Latitude is a factor, but so is climate. Here's an example: https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/ https://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvg_tools/en/ California and Arizona are comparable to Sahara, but Germany has much usable potential too.

modo_mario 10mo ago
The issue is that in winter in the likes of berlin when the need for power is highest you might as well not have them.
- actionfromafar 10mo ago
  The issue is that as solar panels become cheaper than dirt, we will find ways to use them which are not "base load" things. Maybe we in the future will factor in the annual Solar Harvest into our energy plans.
  - modo_mario 10mo ago
    >we will find ways to use them which are not "base load" things If you build solar for much of base load there for those clouded winter weeks where you won't even hope to reach the average winter output then i'm curious what those applications will be that'll fit the model of capitalism. Are you gonna overbuild 20fold with matching grid (not talking about that north-south connection that Germany can't seem to manage) and have metalurgy industries that will only run in summer? Or are you going to build/maintain gas plants at a fraction of the cost even if solar panels end up dirt cheap for those weeks where people still want to run their industries and heatpumps and continue to add to the problem. Looking at my own gov and what i expect from the german one I think I know the answers.
    - actionfromafar 10mo ago
      I don't know - I believe panels will be dirt cheap and I wonder what will happen. Something interesting will happen, economy abhors a vacuum.
      - 2000UltraDeluxe 10mo ago
        Until that happens, I think we should assume that solar only isn't a viable option. At the moment Finland would need 60x more solar to cover current needs (during daytime), and it's barely winter yet. Sure, you'd get away with 20x in Germany but remember we _all_ need to scale up for actual winters where you can't just say "whoops" if things don't go to plan.
  - smallmouth 10mo ago
    I've always wondered what type of volume will be needed world-wide in landfills to house all the discarded solar panels.
    - actionfromafar 10mo ago
      Probably less than all the fly-ash from coal.
- amanaplanacanal 10mo ago
  Storage exists, and will continue to get cheaper.
  - modo_mario 10mo ago
    The storage that's getting cheaper that you're talking about isn't seasonal.

modo_mario 10mo ago

The issue is that in winter in the likes of berlin when the need for power is highest you might as well not have them.

actionfromafar 10mo ago
The issue is that as solar panels become cheaper than dirt, we will find ways to use them which are not "base load" things. Maybe we in the future will factor in the annual Solar Harvest into our energy plans.
- modo_mario 10mo ago
  >we will find ways to use them which are not "base load" things If you build solar for much of base load there for those clouded winter weeks where you won't even hope to reach the average winter output then i'm curious what those applications will be that'll fit the model of capitalism. Are you gonna overbuild 20fold with matching grid (not talking about that north-south connection that Germany can't seem to manage) and have metalurgy industries that will only run in summer? Or are you going to build/maintain gas plants at a fraction of the cost even if solar panels end up dirt cheap for those weeks where people still want to run their industries and heatpumps and continue to add to the problem. Looking at my own gov and what i expect from the german one I think I know the answers.
  - actionfromafar 10mo ago
    I don't know - I believe panels will be dirt cheap and I wonder what will happen. Something interesting will happen, economy abhors a vacuum.
    - 2000UltraDeluxe 10mo ago
      Until that happens, I think we should assume that solar only isn't a viable option. At the moment Finland would need 60x more solar to cover current needs (during daytime), and it's barely winter yet. Sure, you'd get away with 20x in Germany but remember we _all_ need to scale up for actual winters where you can't just say "whoops" if things don't go to plan.
- smallmouth 10mo ago
  I've always wondered what type of volume will be needed world-wide in landfills to house all the discarded solar panels.
  - actionfromafar 10mo ago
    Probably less than all the fly-ash from coal.
amanaplanacanal 10mo ago
Storage exists, and will continue to get cheaper.
- modo_mario 10mo ago
  The storage that's getting cheaper that you're talking about isn't seasonal.