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it's probably just gonna be under the Developer Options "secret" menu

by rrix2 10mo ago

magguzu 10mo ago
Which is totally fine IMO, it was weird to me that they weren't going with this approach when they first announced it. Macs blocked launching apps from unverified devs, but you can override in settings. I thought they could just do something along those lines.
- kelnos 10mo ago
  That's not fine at all. A developer who doesn't want to (or can't) distribute through the Play Store will now need to teach their users how to enable developer mode and toggle a hidden setting. This raises the barrier a bit more than the current method of installing outside the Play Store.
- hasperdi 10mo ago
  It's not fine. Some apps particularly banking apps have developer mode detection and refuse to work if developer mode is enabled.
  - exe34 10mo ago
    I've switched banks for less.
    - Aachen 10mo ago
      Until there are no banks left to switch to Maybe this sounds dark but see also how the net is tightening around phones that allow you to run open firmware after you've bought the hardware for the full and fair price. We're slowly being relegated to crappy hobbyist projects once the last major vendors decide on this as well, and I don't even understand what crime it is I'm being locked out for We're too small a group for commercial vendors to care. Switching away isn't enough, especially when there's no solidarity, not even among hackers. Anyone who uses Apple phones votes with their wallet for locking down the ability to run software of your choice on hardware of your choice. It's as anti-hacker as you can get but it's fairly popular among the HN audience for some reason If not even we can agree on this internally, what's a bank going to care about the fifty people in the country that can't use a banking app because they're obstinately using dev tools? What are they gonna do, try to live bankless? Of course, so long as we can switch away: by all means. But it's not a long-term solution
      - exe34 10mo ago
        I think pretty soon I'll carry a "normal" phone in my bag for things like communication and banking/ticketing, but I'll carry a device I actually like in my pocket. It'll be the best of both worlds - content I want to see often and easily in my pocket, and the stuff I don't want to be distracted by will be harder to reach on a whim.
        Aachen 10mo ago
        Yes, I think I'll have to do the same. I've been in the market for a new phone but the one I had pretty much settled on removed the option to update the boot verification chain so I'm obviously not buying that. Might as well buy apple then It seems like a finite solution though. Having a second phone is not something most people will do, so the apps that are relegated to run on such devices will become less popular, less maintained, less and less good Currently, you can run open software alongside e.g. government verification software. I think it's important to keep that option if somehow possible

it's probably just gonna be under the Developer Options "secret" menu

by rrix2 10mo ago

it's probably just gonna be under the Developer Options "secret" menu

Which is totally fine IMO, it was weird to me that they weren't going with this approach when they first announced it. Macs blocked launching apps from unverified devs, but you can override in settings. I thought they could just do something along those lines.

kelnos 10mo ago
That's not fine at all. A developer who doesn't want to (or can't) distribute through the Play Store will now need to teach their users how to enable developer mode and toggle a hidden setting. This raises the barrier a bit more than the current method of installing outside the Play Store.
hasperdi 10mo ago
It's not fine. Some apps particularly banking apps have developer mode detection and refuse to work if developer mode is enabled.
- exe34 10mo ago
  I've switched banks for less.
  - Aachen 10mo ago
    Until there are no banks left to switch to Maybe this sounds dark but see also how the net is tightening around phones that allow you to run open firmware after you've bought the hardware for the full and fair price. We're slowly being relegated to crappy hobbyist projects once the last major vendors decide on this as well, and I don't even understand what crime it is I'm being locked out for We're too small a group for commercial vendors to care. Switching away isn't enough, especially when there's no solidarity, not even among hackers. Anyone who uses Apple phones votes with their wallet for locking down the ability to run software of your choice on hardware of your choice. It's as anti-hacker as you can get but it's fairly popular among the HN audience for some reason If not even we can agree on this internally, what's a bank going to care about the fifty people in the country that can't use a banking app because they're obstinately using dev tools? What are they gonna do, try to live bankless? Of course, so long as we can switch away: by all means. But it's not a long-term solution
    - exe34 10mo ago
      I think pretty soon I'll carry a "normal" phone in my bag for things like communication and banking/ticketing, but I'll carry a device I actually like in my pocket. It'll be the best of both worlds - content I want to see often and easily in my pocket, and the stuff I don't want to be distracted by will be harder to reach on a whim.
      - Aachen 10mo ago
        Yes, I think I'll have to do the same. I've been in the market for a new phone but the one I had pretty much settled on removed the option to update the boot verification chain so I'm obviously not buying that. Might as well buy apple then It seems like a finite solution though. Having a second phone is not something most people will do, so the apps that are relegated to run on such devices will become less popular, less maintained, less and less good Currently, you can run open software alongside e.g. government verification software. I think it's important to keep that option if somehow possible