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Why? Why should we care where our pasta is made? Why not just buy the cheapest highest quality pasta, where ever it happens to be made?

rayiner 10mo ago
Because places and people aren't fungible.
- twixfel 10mo ago
  Well, nor is food, you see.
  - rayiner 10mo ago
    Food is relatively unimportant except as a source of calories.
    - deeg 10mo ago
      This would explain why you don't like Italian pasta.
    - apawloski 10mo ago
      Frame this on the wall as the most succinct way to sum up the utter capitulation people face in supporting these tariffs. Yes they are raising taxes and making everything more expensive for Americans. Yes they are disrupting the raw materials needed for domestic manufacturing supply chains. Yes their policies change so frequently and capriciously that it's impossible for American businesses to make medium-to-long term plans. Yes the president and his family are personally and directly benefiting from these policy decisions. Yes they are directly accepting gifts and payments, including jets, TikTok board seats, and brazenly corrupt contributions to their personal cryptocurrency. All of that is acceptable, and technically food doesn't need to taste good anyway.
      - rayiner 10mo ago
        > All of that is acceptable, and technically food doesn't need to taste good anyway. Food doesn’t need to taste good. This is America, not some mediterranean country: https://www.nytimes.com/1975/08/31/archives/food-on-enjoying-food-while-millions-starve-the-puritan-distrusts.html https://www.nytimes.com/1975/08/31/archives/food-on-enjoying... (“This American attitude toward food has been formed by two important elements in our national thinking, both functions of our national history. One is the he‐man ideology developed during our pioneering past which holds that it is effete to demand finesse in cookery (or in any other cultural activity, for that matter). The other is our Puritanism. The Puritan nourishes himself (grudgingly), for God has so organized the universe that he must. Possibly he suspects that the chore of eating was imposed on him as a penance for his disgraceful gourmandise in connection with an apple.”).
        ahmeneeroe-v2 10mo ago
        This is amazing, thanks for sharing
        apawloski 10mo ago
        Of all the things in my post to address, the fact that you are pulling some random NYT opinion piece from 1975 to say “actually it’s more American to NOT enjoy food” only reiterates my point.
        rayiner 10mo ago
        I the article discusses a salutary american cultural norm that has since been diluted but is still worth emulating. The America that sent a man to the moon thought garlic was spicy. You don’t need “the best pasta.” Adequate pasta, produced in America by Americans, is good enough.
        apawloski 10mo ago
        This is becoming a Tim Robinson gag. I wish you would dedicate as much time supporting American consumers and American manufacturers as you did trying to argue whatever it is you’re digging in about food spiciness or whatever. Your points were not about pasta but truly that it’s more American to not enjoy food lol. If you must respond, please address my initial points about all the concessions you’re making about these policies. Also, how do you end up finding these random op eds? Like what do you search to find them?
    - twixfel 10mo ago
      To you sure, but lots of people enjoy food. And Americans enjoy eating complete dogshit, being among the most obese and revolting (to the eyes and to the nose) people on the planet. Maybe it'd be a pretty cool thing if they at more like the Italians.

rayiner 10mo ago

Because places and people aren't fungible.

twixfel 10mo ago
Well, nor is food, you see.
- rayiner 10mo ago
  Food is relatively unimportant except as a source of calories.
  - deeg 10mo ago
    This would explain why you don't like Italian pasta.
  - apawloski 10mo ago
    Frame this on the wall as the most succinct way to sum up the utter capitulation people face in supporting these tariffs. Yes they are raising taxes and making everything more expensive for Americans. Yes they are disrupting the raw materials needed for domestic manufacturing supply chains. Yes their policies change so frequently and capriciously that it's impossible for American businesses to make medium-to-long term plans. Yes the president and his family are personally and directly benefiting from these policy decisions. Yes they are directly accepting gifts and payments, including jets, TikTok board seats, and brazenly corrupt contributions to their personal cryptocurrency. All of that is acceptable, and technically food doesn't need to taste good anyway.
    - rayiner 10mo ago
      > All of that is acceptable, and technically food doesn't need to taste good anyway. Food doesn’t need to taste good. This is America, not some mediterranean country: https://www.nytimes.com/1975/08/31/archives/food-on-enjoying-food-while-millions-starve-the-puritan-distrusts.html https://www.nytimes.com/1975/08/31/archives/food-on-enjoying... (“This American attitude toward food has been formed by two important elements in our national thinking, both functions of our national history. One is the he‐man ideology developed during our pioneering past which holds that it is effete to demand finesse in cookery (or in any other cultural activity, for that matter). The other is our Puritanism. The Puritan nourishes himself (grudgingly), for God has so organized the universe that he must. Possibly he suspects that the chore of eating was imposed on him as a penance for his disgraceful gourmandise in connection with an apple.”).
      - ahmeneeroe-v2 10mo ago
        This is amazing, thanks for sharing
      - apawloski 10mo ago
        Of all the things in my post to address, the fact that you are pulling some random NYT opinion piece from 1975 to say “actually it’s more American to NOT enjoy food” only reiterates my point.
        rayiner 10mo ago
        I the article discusses a salutary american cultural norm that has since been diluted but is still worth emulating. The America that sent a man to the moon thought garlic was spicy. You don’t need “the best pasta.” Adequate pasta, produced in America by Americans, is good enough.
        apawloski 10mo ago
        This is becoming a Tim Robinson gag. I wish you would dedicate as much time supporting American consumers and American manufacturers as you did trying to argue whatever it is you’re digging in about food spiciness or whatever. Your points were not about pasta but truly that it’s more American to not enjoy food lol. If you must respond, please address my initial points about all the concessions you’re making about these policies. Also, how do you end up finding these random op eds? Like what do you search to find them?
  - twixfel 10mo ago
    To you sure, but lots of people enjoy food. And Americans enjoy eating complete dogshit, being among the most obese and revolting (to the eyes and to the nose) people on the planet. Maybe it'd be a pretty cool thing if they at more like the Italians.