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It is really bad. A glimmer of hope is a governor with a spine. https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/what-resistance-means-to-governor-j

by tr4ce 10mo ago

It is really bad. A glimmer of hope is a governor with a spine. https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/what-resistance-means-to-governor-j-b-pritzker https://www.newyorker.com/podcast/the-new-yorker-radio-hour/...

tedivm 10mo ago
I live here, and Pritzker says the right things then does the wrong things. He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources to attack and kidnap people. In half the videos you see out there his state police as assisting ICE. We have Chicago Aldermen out in the streets and in the hospitals getting arrested and assaulted, we have candidates for congress like Kat Abughazaleh being indicted for protesting, and then Pritzker is giving speeches and going on podcasts while not even stopping his own thugs from helping ICE. He doesn't have a spine, he has an election strategy.
- selectodude 10mo ago
  I think the reality is far scarier - he doesn’t have nearly as much power over ISP as he should.
  - inahga 10mo ago
    If he doesn't, he needs to be forthright about it in his speeches and podcasts. "The ISP is disobeying my direct orders." Until then, he bears responsibility for their actions.
    - selectodude 10mo ago
      The NYPD all but threatened to kill Bill de Blasio's daughter when he tried to bring them to heel. I'm limiting myself to being furious at the fucking freaks terrorizing my city instead of creating new shit to get mad about. There's plenty as is.
      - inahga 10mo ago
        Sure, I don't mean this to arouse anger. I point it out for the Democratic primaries in March. https://ballotpedia.org/Illinois_gubernatorial_and_lieutenant_gubernatorial_election,_2026_(March_17_Democratic_primary) https://ballotpedia.org/Illinois_gubernatorial_and_lieutenan...
  - tptacek 10mo ago
    He does not. People working in public service law could have told you that long before Trump won the election. That's sort of not on him; it's its own political power center. But that's his problem to solve now.
  - wombatpm 10mo ago
    ISP enjoys support from the white rascisty southern part of IL as a bulwark against the Chicago Police and all of the brown people there.
- tptacek 10mo ago
  Right now, I agree pretty strongly with this. In particular: Pritzker is the command in chief of the Illinois State Police. But the ISP is very conservative and fairly MAGA, and ISP has staffed protests pretty aggressively. Pritzker has in theory the ability to reorient ISP away from policing protesters and towards protecting them from DHS, and he has pointedly not done so. Even if he's just OK, doing a replacement-level competent job of being a governor dealing with a problem he himself did not have a hand in creating, this is his opportunity to demonstrate leadership during a crisis, and he's flubbing it. He's asking (we assume) for the highest job in the land, so he doesn't get to ask to be graded on a curve this time. (Not a fan of Kat Abu, though).
  - ryandrake 10mo ago
    It's kind of too late for quick action. You're not going to turn the attitudes of Law Enforcement on a dime. We need a decades long effort to eliminate MAGA, White Supremacy, gangs, lawlessness and thuggery from thousands of local and state police forces nationwide. These attitudes have so thoroughly infiltrated policing for so long, it's going to take deliberate restructuring of these institutions and personnel replacement to resolve.
    - tptacek 10mo ago
      That attitude sounds like a really good way to be Brandon Johnson, the least popular mayor in the United States. Pritzker can either solve the problem or he can't. It's fine if he can't. I couldn't solve it. Few could! But if he can't, he's not qualified to be President, a job that will send him harder problems than this. It's fine for him not to be President. Most people (waves at the Oval Office right now) shouldn't.
  - digdugdirk 10mo ago
    Curious about the random Kat Abu comment at the end there? I know nothing about her background, but it certainly seems like she's using her campaign to actively help her local community directly and immediately. And in times like these, we could certainly use more political candidates who are willing to be tossed around by DHS. What negatives am I unaware of?
- xdennis 10mo ago
  > He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources You're literally saying the quiet part out loud. So many people here are complaining that ICE is arresting US citizens, but you literally admit that they're interfering. And yes, it's illegal to "forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere" with a federal officer. See https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111 You can do up to 1 year in prison for minor offenses, or up to 20 for using weapons and causing injuries.
  - tedivm 10mo ago
    Don't put words in my mouth. When we say they're arresting US citizens I'm referring to the brown people they're picking up off the streets purely for being brown. The lawncare guy they picked up the other day, on film and with paperwork, wasn't protesting or interfering with anything. You're just making things up to justify this fascist take over.

by tr4ce 10mo ago

tedivm 10mo ago

I live here, and Pritzker says the right things then does the wrong things. He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources to attack and kidnap people. In half the videos you see out there his state police as assisting ICE. We have Chicago Aldermen out in the streets and in the hospitals getting arrested and assaulted, we have candidates for congress like Kat Abughazaleh being indicted for protesting, and then Pritzker is giving speeches and going on podcasts while not even stopping his own thugs from helping ICE. He doesn't have a spine, he has an election strategy.

selectodude 10mo ago
I think the reality is far scarier - he doesn’t have nearly as much power over ISP as he should.
- inahga 10mo ago
  If he doesn't, he needs to be forthright about it in his speeches and podcasts. "The ISP is disobeying my direct orders." Until then, he bears responsibility for their actions.
  - selectodude 10mo ago
    The NYPD all but threatened to kill Bill de Blasio's daughter when he tried to bring them to heel. I'm limiting myself to being furious at the fucking freaks terrorizing my city instead of creating new shit to get mad about. There's plenty as is.
    - inahga 10mo ago
      Sure, I don't mean this to arouse anger. I point it out for the Democratic primaries in March. https://ballotpedia.org/Illinois_gubernatorial_and_lieutenant_gubernatorial_election,_2026_(March_17_Democratic_primary) https://ballotpedia.org/Illinois_gubernatorial_and_lieutenan...
- tptacek 10mo ago
  He does not. People working in public service law could have told you that long before Trump won the election. That's sort of not on him; it's its own political power center. But that's his problem to solve now.
- wombatpm 10mo ago
  ISP enjoys support from the white rascisty southern part of IL as a bulwark against the Chicago Police and all of the brown people there.
tptacek 10mo ago
Right now, I agree pretty strongly with this. In particular: Pritzker is the command in chief of the Illinois State Police. But the ISP is very conservative and fairly MAGA, and ISP has staffed protests pretty aggressively. Pritzker has in theory the ability to reorient ISP away from policing protesters and towards protecting them from DHS, and he has pointedly not done so. Even if he's just OK, doing a replacement-level competent job of being a governor dealing with a problem he himself did not have a hand in creating, this is his opportunity to demonstrate leadership during a crisis, and he's flubbing it. He's asking (we assume) for the highest job in the land, so he doesn't get to ask to be graded on a curve this time. (Not a fan of Kat Abu, though).
- ryandrake 10mo ago
  It's kind of too late for quick action. You're not going to turn the attitudes of Law Enforcement on a dime. We need a decades long effort to eliminate MAGA, White Supremacy, gangs, lawlessness and thuggery from thousands of local and state police forces nationwide. These attitudes have so thoroughly infiltrated policing for so long, it's going to take deliberate restructuring of these institutions and personnel replacement to resolve.
  - tptacek 10mo ago
    That attitude sounds like a really good way to be Brandon Johnson, the least popular mayor in the United States. Pritzker can either solve the problem or he can't. It's fine if he can't. I couldn't solve it. Few could! But if he can't, he's not qualified to be President, a job that will send him harder problems than this. It's fine for him not to be President. Most people (waves at the Oval Office right now) shouldn't.
- digdugdirk 10mo ago
  Curious about the random Kat Abu comment at the end there? I know nothing about her background, but it certainly seems like she's using her campaign to actively help her local community directly and immediately. And in times like these, we could certainly use more political candidates who are willing to be tossed around by DHS. What negatives am I unaware of?
xdennis 10mo ago
> He sent the Illinois State Police to help protect ICE from protestors as Broadview, freeing up their resources You're literally saying the quiet part out loud. So many people here are complaining that ICE is arresting US citizens, but you literally admit that they're interfering. And yes, it's illegal to "forcibly assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere" with a federal officer. See https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111 You can do up to 1 year in prison for minor offenses, or up to 20 for using weapons and causing injuries.
- tedivm 10mo ago
  Don't put words in my mouth. When we say they're arresting US citizens I'm referring to the brown people they're picking up off the streets purely for being brown. The lawncare guy they picked up the other day, on film and with paperwork, wasn't protesting or interfering with anything. You're just making things up to justify this fascist take over.