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> In many European countries this can even reduce the usually robust protections you have as an employee. Huh, where?

• caminante 10mo ago
  Huh, why would openly complaining about your job to your boss/HR be protected in a "just cause" regime?
  • ahtihn 10mo ago
    Why would complaining reduce existing protections.
    • caminante 10mo ago
      Your question makes no sense because nobody said this and if a protection can get reduced, then it's not a real protection, lol.
      • theoreticalmal 10mo ago
        “European countries this can even reduce the usually robust protections you have as an employee.”
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        • caminante 10mo ago
          This (GP) is different than phrasing of parent.
      • ahtihn 10mo ago
        Reread the comment chain, because I literally quoted a comment saying that repeatedly voicing your dissatisfaction to your boss can reduce the robust employment protections in some countries in Europe.
        • caminante 10mo ago
          > I literally quoted a comment Bold claim considering you left off a key part of the quote. It's not reducing the protections (change in law). It's reducing the protections you have. The qualifier you left out changes the meaning.
          • ahtihn 10mo ago
            Where is "change in law" coming from? How could it possibly mean that in context? Of course the meaning is "reducing the protections you have". And I'm challenging the notion that complaining or voicing dissatisfaction could do that in any European country. Therefore I would like examples of countries where it is the case that simply complaining to your boss has any impact on protections you have.
            • caminante 10mo ago
              > And I'm challenging the notion that complaining or voicing dissatisfaction could do that in any European country. 'any' ? See "cooperative problems" [0], the EU-wide "duty of loyalty" for (not relevant directly here for internal complaints, but paints a bright line), and countless posts on socials of EU people getting let go for complaining in the workplace. If this doesn't challenge your perception, then we're wasting time. [0] https://businessindenmark.virk.dk/guidance/employment-and-dismissal/resignation-and-termination/ https://businessindenmark.virk.dk/guidance/employment-and-di...
              • ahtihn 10mo ago
                "Duty of loyalty" is obviously irrelevant here. "Countless posts of people getting let go for whatever reason" is irrelevant too. What protections did these people have that did not apply because they complained to their boss?
                • caminante 10mo ago
                  LOL! Why did you conveniently skip over the first and primary exclusion for "cooperative problems" and "unfitness", which linked to the Danish Ministry of Employment's site? > What protections did these people have that did not apply because they complained to their boss? Is English not your native language? This question makes no sense. If the protection doesn't apply, then they never had it. As for providing additional context, 1. "duty of loyalty" is something you probably weren't aware of. It sets a bright line, and would surprise people with your over-general view. 2. Dismissing social media posts [0] about claims of dismissal for complaining at the office that would satisfy your request... is bad faith. [0]https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/vpsbp0/just_got_fired_for_pointing_out_unfair_working/ https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/vpsbp0/just_got...