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Yes Gregg, I was speaking as a European using the American revolution as an example, not strictly speaking about NYC right now, I hope that's clear

• greggoB 11mo ago
  Whatever you're generally trying to say is not clear; looking at the other comments, I appear to not be the only one struggling with it. Why are you using the American revolution as an example? Like in what way is that remotely relevant? The revolution was the result of an actual denial of representation for all colonists, it wasn't about the general dynamics of a democracy in which the majority that wins an electon gets to set the rules that the minority must abide by - there was no election at all, only the rule of the British monarch. If you were talking about DC or Puerto Rico where they actually have taxation without representation then there'd be some merit to your point, but you're not so there isn't.
  • dekken_ 11mo ago
    My original point was about people having any say in terms of how much tax they pay. And the American revolution was an example in the extreme of what can happen, given it did happen.
    • greggoB 10mo ago
      But it wasn't about how much tax they paid - it was about the idea of being taxed at all. I live in Switzerland. Here the general population have about as much a say about tax as one can imagine, from federal to municipal (gemeinde) level. And guess what? You'll find people here who are very upset about the taxes they pay. If people don't like a tax policy, they can vote against it. What they absolutely CANNOT do is try to instigate a revolution because the majority voted contra to their desires. That is not how democracy works.
      • dekken_ 10mo ago
        > But it wasn't about how much tax they paid - it was about the idea of being taxed at all. I don't see a difference, fundamentally it comes down to consent of the governed. If 51% of a country votes for something, and it doesn't happen, then what's the point in voting?
        • greggoB 10mo ago
          At this point I don't know if you're trolling or being wilfully dull. Yes, what you're describing is democracy. Yes, the premise of the system is that the majority vote decides on the rules/policy. Yes it would be bad if that were subverted. But, for like the billionth time now: - this is not what just happened with the NYC vote, and - it has absolutely nothing to do with the American Revolution. If you're still somehow confused, I suggest reading up on these topics - Wikipedia [0][1] provides a wonderful start. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_New_York_City_mayoral_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_New_York_City_mayoral_ele... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution
          • dekken_ 10mo ago
            > But, for like the billionth time now: nice, exaggeration, and more misrepresentation, see ya
            • greggoB 10mo ago
              You should really take the time to learn to construct cogent and substantive arguments to get your view across - you'll find it's a lot less counterproductive, especially on a forum like HN.
              • dekken_ 10mo ago
                You're the one who failed to comprehend my guy. I was never talking about NYC, you assumed.