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What “hub” thing do I need to use this? I use an iPhone but really just want to use some physical remote switches. I currently use Home Assistant but want to s

by carderne 11mo ago

What “hub” thing do I need to use this? I use an iPhone but really just want to use some physical remote switches. I currently use Home Assistant but want to shift to something more “mass market” as I’m bored of being family tech support.

k33l0r 11mo ago
An Apple TV or HomePod mini, if you want to stay within the Apple ecosystem…
fundatus 11mo ago
You could get an IKEA Dirigera, but one of the upsides of Matter is that you do not need the manufacturers hub anymore. So an Apple Homepod or a Home Assistant instance with a Thread stick will do as well! (Or any other Matter hub for that matter of course)
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petepete 11mo ago
I use an IKEA Dirigera, which speaks both Zigbee and Matter.
kps 11mo ago
For some degree of future-proofing you'll definitely want a device with a Thread radio. (I've done paid work on Matter so I'll avoid giving possibly-tainted opinions on any particular vendor's products.)
thedougd 11mo ago
You're looking for a Thread border gateway. Lots of stuff already has it. Someone mentioned AppleTV and HomePod mini. Newer Google Nest speakers/displays have it as well. But you can do it with just Home Assistant and a Thread radio: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/thread#turning-home-assistant-into-a-thread-border-router https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/thread#turning-ho... Personally, I pair my wifi and Thread matter devices to my Apple Home, as each Apple TV behaves as a redundant, ethernet connected gateway. I then do a secondary pairing to Home Assistant and Google Home. Local control and it works very well.
- carderne 11mo ago
  Is it absolutely necessary to have a base/gateway? This Verge article[0] seems to imply not, but it's not at all clear to me what I lose. If I just want a smart switch that controls a smart light, can I do that without a hub? Can I use my phone to control that light/switch in a pinch? I'm not averse to spending $100 or whatever, but it's just more _stuff_ that I'd rather not think about. [0] "Apple now lets you add Matter devices to Apple Home without a hub" https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/18/24246581/ios18-matter-smart-home-devices-hub-thread-border-router https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/18/24246581/ios18-matter-sma...
  - ssl-3 10mo ago
    It's not strictly necessary to have separate a hub/controller, no: After all, a Matter controller is just a small computer-widget that sits on a network and talks with IP packets. A pocket supercomputer, such as an iPhone, theoretically works just as well: It's a small computer-widget that sits on a network, right? It just happens to run on batteries and be carried around in your pocket. It's just software at that point. At the end of the day: The Matter devices are paired with the controller, similar to how Bluetooth devices are also typically paired with a main brain-box. (Except: A Matter device can be paired with many controllers concurrently, whereas a lot of Bluetooth devices can only be paired with one at a time.) The network connection doesn't have to be permanent: It can work when controller is present on the network, and it will [perhaps obviously] cease to work when the controller is absent. So if Apple has software that runs within an iPhone and acts as a Matter controller, then: Sure, no additional hardware is needed to wiggle the state of a Matter light bulb using your iPhone. (And if that kind of local control is all you ever care about for controlling stuff then... that's good enough.)
insane_dreamer 11mo ago
Can't Matter devices connect directly to Apple HomeKit? So if you have a HomePod (or even a MiniPod though I'm not sure) it should connect all these Ikea devices too.

k33l0r 11mo ago

An Apple TV or HomePod mini, if you want to stay within the Apple ecosystem…

fundatus 11mo ago

You could get an IKEA Dirigera, but one of the upsides of Matter is that you do not need the manufacturers hub anymore. So an Apple Homepod or a Home Assistant instance with a Thread stick will do as well! (Or any other Matter hub for that matter of course)

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petepete 11mo ago

I use an IKEA Dirigera, which speaks both Zigbee and Matter.

kps 11mo ago

For some degree of future-proofing you'll definitely want a device with a Thread radio. (I've done paid work on Matter so I'll avoid giving possibly-tainted opinions on any particular vendor's products.)

thedougd 11mo ago

You're looking for a Thread border gateway. Lots of stuff already has it. Someone mentioned AppleTV and HomePod mini. Newer Google Nest speakers/displays have it as well. But you can do it with just Home Assistant and a Thread radio: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/thread#turning-home-assistant-into-a-thread-border-router https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/thread#turning-ho... Personally, I pair my wifi and Thread matter devices to my Apple Home, as each Apple TV behaves as a redundant, ethernet connected gateway. I then do a secondary pairing to Home Assistant and Google Home. Local control and it works very well.

carderne 11mo ago
Is it absolutely necessary to have a base/gateway? This Verge article[0] seems to imply not, but it's not at all clear to me what I lose. If I just want a smart switch that controls a smart light, can I do that without a hub? Can I use my phone to control that light/switch in a pinch? I'm not averse to spending $100 or whatever, but it's just more _stuff_ that I'd rather not think about. [0] "Apple now lets you add Matter devices to Apple Home without a hub" https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/18/24246581/ios18-matter-smart-home-devices-hub-thread-border-router https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/18/24246581/ios18-matter-sma...
- ssl-3 10mo ago
  It's not strictly necessary to have separate a hub/controller, no: After all, a Matter controller is just a small computer-widget that sits on a network and talks with IP packets. A pocket supercomputer, such as an iPhone, theoretically works just as well: It's a small computer-widget that sits on a network, right? It just happens to run on batteries and be carried around in your pocket. It's just software at that point. At the end of the day: The Matter devices are paired with the controller, similar to how Bluetooth devices are also typically paired with a main brain-box. (Except: A Matter device can be paired with many controllers concurrently, whereas a lot of Bluetooth devices can only be paired with one at a time.) The network connection doesn't have to be permanent: It can work when controller is present on the network, and it will [perhaps obviously] cease to work when the controller is absent. So if Apple has software that runs within an iPhone and acts as a Matter controller, then: Sure, no additional hardware is needed to wiggle the state of a Matter light bulb using your iPhone. (And if that kind of local control is all you ever care about for controlling stuff then... that's good enough.)

insane_dreamer 11mo ago

Can't Matter devices connect directly to Apple HomeKit? So if you have a HomePod (or even a MiniPod though I'm not sure) it should connect all these Ikea devices too.