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I mean, even then you're growing it from chemicals. Unless you're straight up converting energy to matter (in which case, it would be kind of odd the first prac

by hfsh 11mo ago

I mean, even then you're growing it from chemicals. Unless you're straight up converting energy to matter (in which case, it would be kind of odd the first practical application they think of is making colors).

jychang 11mo ago
Well, the counterargument is that in theory, you can imagine a way to create structural color regardless of substrate. So imagine a technology that shines a laser on a car or a block of concrete and makes it blue; I'd argue that's correctly "without chemicals". Of course, I doubt you can do that to any random substrate, since the color will depend on the properties of the material.
- shultays 11mo ago
  So imagine a technology that shines a laser on a car or a block of concrete and makes it blue There is something like that for sheets of steel at least https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ncEfAxkuFA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ncEfAxkuFA And here is a video explains it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsGHr7dXLuI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsGHr7dXLuI
wongarsu 11mo ago
In the sense that everything is chemicals, yes. But you typically wouldn't describe a butterfly growing a wing or a welder making a blue weld from metals that are normally very much not blue as "growing from chemicals". I guess you could argue about the butterfly, but I think few people would say that chemicals are involved in welding steel, despite iron, carbon and tungsten being chemical elements
- defrost 11mo ago
  The few people that would say that chemistry is part of welding "steel" (what type of steel? what type of metal? how about aluminium? etc) includes welders. eg: https://youtu.be/nfNvuTMDXNg?t=1420 https://youtu.be/nfNvuTMDXNg?t=1420 In which a good machinist from Queensland, Australia discovers a crack and states he'll have to get the metal tested before he can repair the crack. You know, to match the chemical composition, expansion rates, etc.

by hfsh 11mo ago

jychang 11mo ago

Well, the counterargument is that in theory, you can imagine a way to create structural color regardless of substrate. So imagine a technology that shines a laser on a car or a block of concrete and makes it blue; I'd argue that's correctly "without chemicals". Of course, I doubt you can do that to any random substrate, since the color will depend on the properties of the material.

shultays 11mo ago
So imagine a technology that shines a laser on a car or a block of concrete and makes it blue There is something like that for sheets of steel at least https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ncEfAxkuFA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ncEfAxkuFA And here is a video explains it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsGHr7dXLuI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsGHr7dXLuI

wongarsu 11mo ago

In the sense that everything is chemicals, yes. But you typically wouldn't describe a butterfly growing a wing or a welder making a blue weld from metals that are normally very much not blue as "growing from chemicals". I guess you could argue about the butterfly, but I think few people would say that chemicals are involved in welding steel, despite iron, carbon and tungsten being chemical elements

defrost 11mo ago
The few people that would say that chemistry is part of welding "steel" (what type of steel? what type of metal? how about aluminium? etc) includes welders. eg: https://youtu.be/nfNvuTMDXNg?t=1420 https://youtu.be/nfNvuTMDXNg?t=1420 In which a good machinist from Queensland, Australia discovers a crack and states he'll have to get the metal tested before he can repair the crack. You know, to match the chemical composition, expansion rates, etc.