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Lovin' this! Though I'm not a fan of the design but like the spirit of it. I can't fathom why we can't have a modern car with analog displays and switches in t

Lovin' this! Though I'm not a fan of the design but like the spirit of it. I can't fathom why we can't have a modern car with analog displays and switches in the cockpit. I own a 25 years old car which only has a digital radio (removeable!) and that's it, perfectly enough.

SirFatty 11mo ago
No fuel injection or electronic ignition? I'm sure there's an ECU somewhere in the vehicle.
- regularfry 11mo ago
  Not features found in the cockpit, unless you are not going to space today.
- cameron_b 11mo ago
  This is the sentiment completely. My 34-year old base spec Chevrolet has digital controls for timing advance, fuel trim, and integrated Engine and Transmission Control Units. But my dash has some analog components ( fuel level is variable voltage instead of PWM ). The mechanics would all say that my truck is very simple, and "old school" The Lay use of 'analog' is far removed from function. As long as there isn't a screen, it isn't seen to be digital. I studied photography in college and loved shooting film. I have a processing machine that is based on a 6502. When people would talk about non-digital things as analog it would bug me (One is chemical, and one is a computer).
  - calvinmorrison 11mo ago
    The last real analog stuff would be either carb'd bikes / cars or mechanical fuel injection, which is the worst of both worlds. However, those ECUs are more closely related to embedded programming than digital dial outs and SIM Card loaded cars with a internal network canbus these days. Analog / Digital Inputs and outputs as a closed loop controller.
    - rjsw 11mo ago
      ECUs talked to each other over a digital bus long before anyone added a connection to the internet.
      - potato3732842 11mo ago
        The first 20yr of automotive computers they weren't really talking to each other and when they were it wasn't really bidirectional and it wasn't typically on a bus unless you wanna call a dedicated wire a bus.
        rjsw 11mo ago
        I was working on diagnostics for cars using CAN in 1995.
        potato3732842 11mo ago
        If you were dealing with CAN back then then you of all people know it wasn't the norm at the time.
        kragen 11mo ago
        That was after the first 20 years of automotive computers, though, wasn't it, if only barely? WP says, "In the early 1970s, the Japanese electronics industry began producing integrated circuits and microcontrollers used for controlling engines.[6] The Ford EEC (Electronic Engine Control) system, which used the Toshiba TLCS-12 microprocessor, entered mass production in 1975.[7]" Reference [6] says, "First half of 1970s: Japan starts developing ICs for automobiles ahead of the U.S.: Development of ICs for automobiles started with analog ICs for in-car entertainment, and was followed by 4-bit microcontrollers and other digital ICs for use with the wipers, electronic locks, and dashboard, and then by microcontrollers with 8-bit and wider bits for engine control." But I don't know any more details. Was Toyota controlling its windshield wipers with a 4004 in 01974? Was Nissan controlling a speedometer with an RCA 1801 in 01973? Anyway, if we date it from 01975, then 01995 would be year #21.
- jonah 11mo ago
  It's electric.
addaon 11mo ago
Look at the Bugatti Tourbillon. About as analog-appearing as it gets. Clearly there’s a recognition that this is what luxury looks like — but switches (let alone dials!) cost more than touch screens.
- fragmede 11mo ago
  On a Bugatti? The switch replacement costs more than a car! https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMgEhBsh/ https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMgEhBsh/
- porphyra 11mo ago
  The most analog-appearing car interior I've ever seen is the Spyker C8: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Spyker_C8_Spyder_-_Flickr_-_Price-Photography.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Spyker_C8_Spyder_-_F...

SirFatty 11mo ago

No fuel injection or electronic ignition? I'm sure there's an ECU somewhere in the vehicle.

regularfry 11mo ago
Not features found in the cockpit, unless you are not going to space today.
cameron_b 11mo ago
This is the sentiment completely. My 34-year old base spec Chevrolet has digital controls for timing advance, fuel trim, and integrated Engine and Transmission Control Units. But my dash has some analog components ( fuel level is variable voltage instead of PWM ). The mechanics would all say that my truck is very simple, and "old school" The Lay use of 'analog' is far removed from function. As long as there isn't a screen, it isn't seen to be digital. I studied photography in college and loved shooting film. I have a processing machine that is based on a 6502. When people would talk about non-digital things as analog it would bug me (One is chemical, and one is a computer).
- calvinmorrison 11mo ago
  The last real analog stuff would be either carb'd bikes / cars or mechanical fuel injection, which is the worst of both worlds. However, those ECUs are more closely related to embedded programming than digital dial outs and SIM Card loaded cars with a internal network canbus these days. Analog / Digital Inputs and outputs as a closed loop controller.
  - rjsw 11mo ago
    ECUs talked to each other over a digital bus long before anyone added a connection to the internet.
    - potato3732842 11mo ago
      The first 20yr of automotive computers they weren't really talking to each other and when they were it wasn't really bidirectional and it wasn't typically on a bus unless you wanna call a dedicated wire a bus.
      - rjsw 11mo ago
        I was working on diagnostics for cars using CAN in 1995.
        potato3732842 11mo ago
        If you were dealing with CAN back then then you of all people know it wasn't the norm at the time.
        kragen 11mo ago
        That was after the first 20 years of automotive computers, though, wasn't it, if only barely? WP says, "In the early 1970s, the Japanese electronics industry began producing integrated circuits and microcontrollers used for controlling engines.[6] The Ford EEC (Electronic Engine Control) system, which used the Toshiba TLCS-12 microprocessor, entered mass production in 1975.[7]" Reference [6] says, "First half of 1970s: Japan starts developing ICs for automobiles ahead of the U.S.: Development of ICs for automobiles started with analog ICs for in-car entertainment, and was followed by 4-bit microcontrollers and other digital ICs for use with the wipers, electronic locks, and dashboard, and then by microcontrollers with 8-bit and wider bits for engine control." But I don't know any more details. Was Toyota controlling its windshield wipers with a 4004 in 01974? Was Nissan controlling a speedometer with an RCA 1801 in 01973? Anyway, if we date it from 01975, then 01995 would be year #21.
jonah 11mo ago
It's electric.

addaon 11mo ago

Look at the Bugatti Tourbillon. About as analog-appearing as it gets. Clearly there’s a recognition that this is what luxury looks like — but switches (let alone dials!) cost more than touch screens.

fragmede 11mo ago
On a Bugatti? The switch replacement costs more than a car! https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMgEhBsh/ https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTMgEhBsh/
porphyra 11mo ago
The most analog-appearing car interior I've ever seen is the Spyker C8: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Spyker_C8_Spyder_-_Flickr_-_Price-Photography.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Spyker_C8_Spyder_-_F...