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So your argument is that we do so many terrible things already, that anything else is justified? Surely the better argument is that we should try to stop doing

by jbstack 11mo ago

So your argument is that we do so many terrible things already, that anything else is justified? Surely the better argument is that we should try to stop doing those other things.

yurishimo 11mo ago
That is essentially one of the main arguments vegans make. It hasn’t made a dent in the consumption of animals. Their is a hierarchy in nature whether humans are actively participating or not. Nature has no morality, it simply is. This is confirmed by animals that eat their young when they are too weak or starving. Perhaps humans have done and would do the same if faced with similarly dire circumstances but we would all like to think that it would take longer than it does for other animals.
- Llamamoe 11mo ago
  The same line of reasoning could be easily used to justify tyranny and slavery. It might be the baseline status quo but "might makes right" rhetoric makes for extremely miserable worlds.
  - kachapopopow 11mo ago
    if you look beyond the surface level, the world is in-fact miserable, always has been and probably always will be.
    - cindyllm 11mo ago
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constantius 11mo ago
It's rather obvious to me that the commenter is sad and pessimistic about humans' ability to do the right thing when our interest stands in the way. The outrage is unwarranted, however pleasant it might feel. In some way, it illustrates the problem: empathy is too bothersome.
- kachapopopow 11mo ago
  reminds me of a guy who was against gambling until he was told would he accept it for 100 million and he said he'd become a slave for that type of money and to fuck the kids cause money is more important.
kachapopopow 11mo ago
my argument is that humans are in-fact horrible and there is virtually no argument why enslaving an AGI wouldn't be socially acceptable (like eating meat). and if someone doesn't do it, there will be people that will and due to the nature of AGI being extremely powerful (in theory) everyone else will just get enslaved by whoever enslaves the AGI first.

by jbstack 11mo ago

So your argument is that we do so many terrible things already, that anything else is justified? Surely the better argument is that we should try to stop doing those other things.

yurishimo 11mo ago

That is essentially one of the main arguments vegans make. It hasn’t made a dent in the consumption of animals. Their is a hierarchy in nature whether humans are actively participating or not. Nature has no morality, it simply is. This is confirmed by animals that eat their young when they are too weak or starving. Perhaps humans have done and would do the same if faced with similarly dire circumstances but we would all like to think that it would take longer than it does for other animals.

Llamamoe 11mo ago
The same line of reasoning could be easily used to justify tyranny and slavery. It might be the baseline status quo but "might makes right" rhetoric makes for extremely miserable worlds.
- kachapopopow 11mo ago
  if you look beyond the surface level, the world is in-fact miserable, always has been and probably always will be.
  - cindyllm 11mo ago
    [dead]

constantius 11mo ago

It's rather obvious to me that the commenter is sad and pessimistic about humans' ability to do the right thing when our interest stands in the way. The outrage is unwarranted, however pleasant it might feel. In some way, it illustrates the problem: empathy is too bothersome.

kachapopopow 11mo ago
reminds me of a guy who was against gambling until he was told would he accept it for 100 million and he said he'd become a slave for that type of money and to fuck the kids cause money is more important.

kachapopopow 11mo ago

my argument is that humans are in-fact horrible and there is virtually no argument why enslaving an AGI wouldn't be socially acceptable (like eating meat). and if someone doesn't do it, there will be people that will and due to the nature of AGI being extremely powerful (in theory) everyone else will just get enslaved by whoever enslaves the AGI first.