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It's not irrelevant that it's Israel in question. There's not many countries that have been found to be committing genocide (by UN), are actively involved in a

by tziki 11mo ago

It's not irrelevant that it's Israel in question. There's not many countries that have been found to be committing genocide (by UN), are actively involved in a war or where the leaders are sought by ICC.

fortran77 11mo ago
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vladgur 11mo ago
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- gambiting 11mo ago
  For every killed Israeli in the attacks on the 7th of October, Israel went and killed 18 children in retaliation. If that is not genocide then I don't know what is.
  - vladgur 11mo ago
    You’re conveniently ignoring that Hamas took 200+ hostages and refused to return them throughout the war. Just because Hamas, build the biggest underground bomb shelter network and refused to let any civilians in it and that that it operated militarily out of civilian infrastructure such as hospitals, causing inevitable casualties by civilians does not make it a genocide. It makes it a terrible war. A war that Hamas started on October 7.
    - gambiting 11mo ago
      >>You’re conveniently ignoring that Hamas took 200+ hostages and refused to return them throughout the war. Are you saying what I think you're saying? Holding 200+ hostages justifies killing 18 thousand children? "inevitable casualties" - what a feckless way to call what anyone else can see clearly as a systematic attempt to kill and eradicate a group of people.
    - tdeck 11mo ago
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      - vladgur 11mo ago
        what is your definition of genocide? Shooting back at militants who shot at you during cease fire?
    - KingMob 11mo ago
      Israel already held ~11k Palestinians in indefinite military detention without charges, prior to Oct 7. AKA, hostages. They just released 2k as part of a swap a week ago, but are still holding more hostages than Hamas: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/who-are-palestinians-held-israeli-jails-2025-10-24/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/who-are-palestinia... ---- October 7 was horrendous, but it's not like history started from a blank slate that morning.
  - km3r 11mo ago
    That is an elementary understanding international law. If after Oct 7th Israel went and killed a single child in retaliation, that would be unjust. Justification and proportionality are not measured like that. Justification is established by a valid objective to go to war. Proportionality is measured in comparison to the military objectives. The Oct 7th attack clearly justifies the removal of Hamas. The proportionality of doing so is dependent on the size of Hamas's army (20k-30k), the size of their infrastructure (500 kms of tunnels), and their ability to separate their operations and operators from civilians.
    - nashashmi 11mo ago
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        nashashmi 11mo ago
        THE talk is about IDF here.
        tovej 11mo ago
        That is insanely disingenuous. Rightly calling out a genocide by a country known to commit war crimes and violate human rights, international law, and previous peace deals is not antisemitic. This is equivalent to you claiming that calling out ethnic cleansing campaigns in Sudan is racist. I hope that makes it clear how ridiculous that sounds.
- NickC25 11mo ago
  > Redefines the meaning of genocide to fit the shape of the conflict -- a war started by Hamas on Oct 7 My man, Israel had a blockade surrounding Palestine on all sides for years prior. October 7th was a retaliation for a lot of the pain Israel had inflicted on Palestine (sorry- Greater Israel). And Bibi was well in the know and all too happy to let it happen. > largely ignores role of Hamas in the conflict Bibi loved and loves Hamas. Also, Israel has nuclear weapons. A lot of them. It's like David and Goliath, except in this case David is malnourished to the extreme, has no future, no present, no past except seeing his family and friends bombed to oblivion....and only can attack Goliath with a few pebbles. Meanwhile, Goliath has plot armor and nukes. >Frames the country as a "settler-colonial" project ignoring realities of jewish history in the region. And not ignoring Palestine, which had existed for 12 centuries before the birth of Christ?
  - vladgur 11mo ago
    A) you know that Gaza has border with another country that is not Israel B) you’re missing out on cause and effect here — could it be that Israeli started blocking import of goods that can be used for military purposes shortly after Hamas gain control of Gaza in 2007 and started shooting missiles at Israel
    - nashashmi 11mo ago
      Israel controls the Egypt border as well. They permit goods to go and stop when they wish with Egypt providing the control. B) they implemented immediately after Hamas won the election, including the West Bank. Until they were forced out.
      - vladgur 11mo ago
        Timelines disagree with you: A) after disengagement from Gaza in 2005 and all the way until this war, Israel did not control the border between Gaza and Egypt. Egypt did B) 2005 - Israel withdraws from Gaza Jan 2026 - Hamas wins popular elections Feb 2026 - rocket and mortar attacks launched by new Hamas govt begin. 179 attacks in February alon Feb 2026 - international sanctions and tightened Israeli border control begins
km3r 11mo ago
The UN has made no such ruling. Committees don't speak for the UN.

by tziki 11mo ago

fortran77 11mo ago

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vladgur 11mo ago

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gambiting 11mo ago
For every killed Israeli in the attacks on the 7th of October, Israel went and killed 18 children in retaliation. If that is not genocide then I don't know what is.
- vladgur 11mo ago
  You’re conveniently ignoring that Hamas took 200+ hostages and refused to return them throughout the war. Just because Hamas, build the biggest underground bomb shelter network and refused to let any civilians in it and that that it operated militarily out of civilian infrastructure such as hospitals, causing inevitable casualties by civilians does not make it a genocide. It makes it a terrible war. A war that Hamas started on October 7.
  - gambiting 11mo ago
    >>You’re conveniently ignoring that Hamas took 200+ hostages and refused to return them throughout the war. Are you saying what I think you're saying? Holding 200+ hostages justifies killing 18 thousand children? "inevitable casualties" - what a feckless way to call what anyone else can see clearly as a systematic attempt to kill and eradicate a group of people.
  - tdeck 11mo ago
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    - vladgur 11mo ago
      what is your definition of genocide? Shooting back at militants who shot at you during cease fire?
  - KingMob 11mo ago
    Israel already held ~11k Palestinians in indefinite military detention without charges, prior to Oct 7. AKA, hostages. They just released 2k as part of a swap a week ago, but are still holding more hostages than Hamas: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/who-are-palestinians-held-israeli-jails-2025-10-24/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/who-are-palestinia... ---- October 7 was horrendous, but it's not like history started from a blank slate that morning.
- km3r 11mo ago
  That is an elementary understanding international law. If after Oct 7th Israel went and killed a single child in retaliation, that would be unjust. Justification and proportionality are not measured like that. Justification is established by a valid objective to go to war. Proportionality is measured in comparison to the military objectives. The Oct 7th attack clearly justifies the removal of Hamas. The proportionality of doing so is dependent on the size of Hamas's army (20k-30k), the size of their infrastructure (500 kms of tunnels), and their ability to separate their operations and operators from civilians.
  - nashashmi 11mo ago
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    - vladgur 11mo ago
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      - nashashmi 11mo ago
        THE talk is about IDF here.
      - tovej 11mo ago
        That is insanely disingenuous. Rightly calling out a genocide by a country known to commit war crimes and violate human rights, international law, and previous peace deals is not antisemitic. This is equivalent to you claiming that calling out ethnic cleansing campaigns in Sudan is racist. I hope that makes it clear how ridiculous that sounds.
NickC25 11mo ago
> Redefines the meaning of genocide to fit the shape of the conflict -- a war started by Hamas on Oct 7 My man, Israel had a blockade surrounding Palestine on all sides for years prior. October 7th was a retaliation for a lot of the pain Israel had inflicted on Palestine (sorry- Greater Israel). And Bibi was well in the know and all too happy to let it happen. > largely ignores role of Hamas in the conflict Bibi loved and loves Hamas. Also, Israel has nuclear weapons. A lot of them. It's like David and Goliath, except in this case David is malnourished to the extreme, has no future, no present, no past except seeing his family and friends bombed to oblivion....and only can attack Goliath with a few pebbles. Meanwhile, Goliath has plot armor and nukes. >Frames the country as a "settler-colonial" project ignoring realities of jewish history in the region. And not ignoring Palestine, which had existed for 12 centuries before the birth of Christ?
- vladgur 11mo ago
  A) you know that Gaza has border with another country that is not Israel B) you’re missing out on cause and effect here — could it be that Israeli started blocking import of goods that can be used for military purposes shortly after Hamas gain control of Gaza in 2007 and started shooting missiles at Israel
  - nashashmi 11mo ago
    Israel controls the Egypt border as well. They permit goods to go and stop when they wish with Egypt providing the control. B) they implemented immediately after Hamas won the election, including the West Bank. Until they were forced out.
    - vladgur 11mo ago
      Timelines disagree with you: A) after disengagement from Gaza in 2005 and all the way until this war, Israel did not control the border between Gaza and Egypt. Egypt did B) 2005 - Israel withdraws from Gaza Jan 2026 - Hamas wins popular elections Feb 2026 - rocket and mortar attacks launched by new Hamas govt begin. 179 attacks in February alon Feb 2026 - international sanctions and tightened Israeli border control begins

km3r 11mo ago

The UN has made no such ruling. Committees don't speak for the UN.