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I feel like this begs another question. If there are proven approaches and well established practices of professionals how good would chatgpt be in that profess

by icetank 11mo ago

I feel like this begs another question. If there are proven approaches and well established practices of professionals how good would chatgpt be in that profession? After all chstgpt has a vast knowledge base and probably knows a good amount of textbooks on psychology. Then again actually performing the profession probably takes skil and experience chatgpt can't learn.

basisword 11mo ago
Knowing the theory is a small part of it. Dealing with irrational patients is the main part. For example, you could go to therapy and be successful. Five years later something could happen and you face a reoccurrence of the issue. It is very difficult to just apply the theory that you already know again. You're probably irrational. A therapist prodding you in the right direction and encouraging you in the right way is just as important as the theory.
josephg 11mo ago
I think a well trained LLM could be amazing at being a therapist. But general purpose LLMs like ChatGPT have a problem: They’re trained to be far too user led. They don’t challenge you enough. Or steer conversations appropriately. I think there’s a huge opportunity if someone could get hold of really top tier therapy conversations and trained a specialised LLM using them. No idea how you’d get those transcripts but that would be a wonderfully valuable thing to make if you could pull it off.
- hitarpetar 11mo ago
  > No idea how you’d get those transcripts you wouldn't. what you're describing as a wonderfully valuable thing would be a monstrous violation of patient confidentiality. I actually can't believe you're so positive about this idea I suspect you might be trolling
  - josephg 11mo ago
    I'm serious. You would have to do it with the patient's consent of course. And of course anonymize any transcripts you use - changing names and whatnot. Honestly I suspect many people would be willing to have their therapy sessions used to help others in similar situations.
- mwcampbell 11mo ago
  > They’re trained to be far too user led. They don’t challenge you enough. An anecdote here: I recently had a conversation with Claude that could be considered therapy or at least therapy-adjacent. To Anthropic's credit, Claude challenged me to take action (in the right direction), not just wallow in my regrets. Still, it may be true that general-purpose LLMs don't do this consistently enough.

by icetank 11mo ago

basisword 11mo ago

Knowing the theory is a small part of it. Dealing with irrational patients is the main part. For example, you could go to therapy and be successful. Five years later something could happen and you face a reoccurrence of the issue. It is very difficult to just apply the theory that you already know again. You're probably irrational. A therapist prodding you in the right direction and encouraging you in the right way is just as important as the theory.

josephg 11mo ago

I think a well trained LLM could be amazing at being a therapist. But general purpose LLMs like ChatGPT have a problem: They’re trained to be far too user led. They don’t challenge you enough. Or steer conversations appropriately. I think there’s a huge opportunity if someone could get hold of really top tier therapy conversations and trained a specialised LLM using them. No idea how you’d get those transcripts but that would be a wonderfully valuable thing to make if you could pull it off.

hitarpetar 11mo ago
> No idea how you’d get those transcripts you wouldn't. what you're describing as a wonderfully valuable thing would be a monstrous violation of patient confidentiality. I actually can't believe you're so positive about this idea I suspect you might be trolling
- josephg 11mo ago
  I'm serious. You would have to do it with the patient's consent of course. And of course anonymize any transcripts you use - changing names and whatnot. Honestly I suspect many people would be willing to have their therapy sessions used to help others in similar situations.
mwcampbell 11mo ago
> They’re trained to be far too user led. They don’t challenge you enough. An anecdote here: I recently had a conversation with Claude that could be considered therapy or at least therapy-adjacent. To Anthropic's credit, Claude challenged me to take action (in the right direction), not just wallow in my regrets. Still, it may be true that general-purpose LLMs don't do this consistently enough.