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You can rationalise your decision however you want, but to me it sounds like you're mad with the little guy for their lack of moral purity, but you're implicitl

by phpnode 11mo ago

You can rationalise your decision however you want, but to me it sounds like you're mad with the little guy for their lack of moral purity, but you're implicitly fine with a larger company doing much worse. That seems inconsistent at best.

mort96 11mo ago
You may find it inconsistent, and that's fine. But I do actually find it worse to buy from the explicitly political pro-fascist company than to buy from the "normal company" which just "incidentally" benefit fascist governments through their normal business operations.
- phpnode 11mo ago
  I don’t see any mention of their explicit support for fascism on their homepage, can you justify this claim?
  - mort96 11mo ago
    They haven't exactly been quiet about it. Here are some links; * https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1960029405067313546 https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1960029405067313546 * https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1975721241345728683 https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1975721241345728683 * https://bsky.app/profile/frame.work/post/3lvm6ahbrf22n https://bsky.app/profile/frame.work/post/3lvm6ahbrf22n * https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986/2 https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ...
    - Lammy 11mo ago
      Fascism is when Arch BTW
    - deleted 11mo ago
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    - tomnipotent 11mo ago
      So in other words you've got nothing? There is literally nothing in your links that backs up your claims. So conferences in every western country should also not invite Chinese or Japanese speakers because they hold similar views to DHH? I'm so over this exhausting need to feel self-righteous.
      - mort96 11mo ago
        Hm? My claim is that they back Omarchy and DHH, I think my links back that up?
        tomnipotent 11mo ago
        And that is not a transitive property which then means Framework supports fascism. The US buys from China, does that mean we support communism?
        mort96 11mo ago
        International trade is extremely complex, funding and publicizing a project is not. Framework supports DHH, both financially and in terms of publicity. That's not something I wanna support.
        Alupis 11mo ago
        The mental gymnastics and contortions you are putting yourself through are quite stunning. You're finding associations that do not exist. I feel I'm staring at a wall strewn with thumb-tacked red yarn, linking all sorts of nonsense together while the creator steps back and exclaims "see, proof!". Framework makes hardware and software. If you're going to close yourself off to any product or organization that happens to have some users you disagree with - then you're not going to get very far in this world. This is a wild, and frankly unhealthy perspective to hold.
        mort96 11mo ago
        Please explain which associations I'm finding which do not exist. > If you're going to close yourself off to any product or organization that happens to have some users you disagree with I do not see where I mentioned Framework users. I care about the actions of the company. I care that they decide to support DHH, financially and through promoting his projects, and I care that they double down on their support in the face of push-back.
    - Melonai 11mo ago
      I don't know... As someone who many people would characterize as "way too woke", this doesn't really quite ruin Framework for me (though I don't own any of their products). DHH is certainly an ass, and this is my first time reading about the racist stuff (before this I just found him generally extremely unlikable), but just general association with someone with shitty opinions doesn't fully ruin a project for me. I guess Omarchy is popular nowadays (I'm really not sure why, if someone really knows, please explain), people are going to want to use it on their Framework computers, ergo: Framework has a reason to cooperate with Omarchy developers so their devices work like the customers want them to, and I guess I'm fine with it even if DHH leaves a bad taste in my mouth... I guess I sort of feel similar in regards to suckless, I don't really like most of their projects, from what I've heard there are some abhorrent people involved, but I wouldn't really put blame on the distro maintainer that packages their projects for their users to use, I guess? Though, I definitely get why people might feel differently.
    - lololb 11mo ago
      > bsky.app That explains everything, no need to dig deeper.
      - mort96 11mo ago
        I don't use Bluesky, I prefer Mastodon and frankly quite dislike Bluesky's faux-decentralization. But Framework uses Bluesky, so that's what I'm gonna link to when I wanna link to their posts.
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by phpnode 11mo ago

mort96 11mo ago

You may find it inconsistent, and that's fine. But I do actually find it worse to buy from the explicitly political pro-fascist company than to buy from the "normal company" which just "incidentally" benefit fascist governments through their normal business operations.

phpnode 11mo ago
I don’t see any mention of their explicit support for fascism on their homepage, can you justify this claim?
- mort96 11mo ago
  They haven't exactly been quiet about it. Here are some links; * https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1960029405067313546 https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1960029405067313546 * https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1975721241345728683 https://x.com/FrameworkPuter/status/1975721241345728683 * https://bsky.app/profile/frame.work/post/3lvm6ahbrf22n https://bsky.app/profile/frame.work/post/3lvm6ahbrf22n * https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-right-racists/75986/2 https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ...
  - Lammy 11mo ago
    Fascism is when Arch BTW
  - deleted 11mo ago
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  - tomnipotent 11mo ago
    So in other words you've got nothing? There is literally nothing in your links that backs up your claims. So conferences in every western country should also not invite Chinese or Japanese speakers because they hold similar views to DHH? I'm so over this exhausting need to feel self-righteous.
    - mort96 11mo ago
      Hm? My claim is that they back Omarchy and DHH, I think my links back that up?
      - tomnipotent 11mo ago
        And that is not a transitive property which then means Framework supports fascism. The US buys from China, does that mean we support communism?
        mort96 11mo ago
        International trade is extremely complex, funding and publicizing a project is not. Framework supports DHH, both financially and in terms of publicity. That's not something I wanna support.
        Alupis 11mo ago
        The mental gymnastics and contortions you are putting yourself through are quite stunning. You're finding associations that do not exist. I feel I'm staring at a wall strewn with thumb-tacked red yarn, linking all sorts of nonsense together while the creator steps back and exclaims "see, proof!". Framework makes hardware and software. If you're going to close yourself off to any product or organization that happens to have some users you disagree with - then you're not going to get very far in this world. This is a wild, and frankly unhealthy perspective to hold.
        mort96 11mo ago
        Please explain which associations I'm finding which do not exist. > If you're going to close yourself off to any product or organization that happens to have some users you disagree with I do not see where I mentioned Framework users. I care about the actions of the company. I care that they decide to support DHH, financially and through promoting his projects, and I care that they double down on their support in the face of push-back.
  - Melonai 11mo ago
    I don't know... As someone who many people would characterize as "way too woke", this doesn't really quite ruin Framework for me (though I don't own any of their products). DHH is certainly an ass, and this is my first time reading about the racist stuff (before this I just found him generally extremely unlikable), but just general association with someone with shitty opinions doesn't fully ruin a project for me. I guess Omarchy is popular nowadays (I'm really not sure why, if someone really knows, please explain), people are going to want to use it on their Framework computers, ergo: Framework has a reason to cooperate with Omarchy developers so their devices work like the customers want them to, and I guess I'm fine with it even if DHH leaves a bad taste in my mouth... I guess I sort of feel similar in regards to suckless, I don't really like most of their projects, from what I've heard there are some abhorrent people involved, but I wouldn't really put blame on the distro maintainer that packages their projects for their users to use, I guess? Though, I definitely get why people might feel differently.
  - lololb 11mo ago
    > bsky.app That explains everything, no need to dig deeper.
    - mort96 11mo ago
      I don't use Bluesky, I prefer Mastodon and frankly quite dislike Bluesky's faux-decentralization. But Framework uses Bluesky, so that's what I'm gonna link to when I wanna link to their posts.
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