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I always find the X% of developers use AI tools for their work suspect because I know many people who are being pressured by their company to adopt AI tools for

• Our_Benefactors 11mo ago
  As they should be. It’s a necessary tool to learn. If your entire dev team circa 2010 was writing code in notepad++ and sharing code versions in a zip file, you would push them to use an IDE and source control. It’s the same concept.
  • Terr_ 11mo ago
    That's true insofar as there is friction to adoption. But whether $THING should be adopted and whether it does increase long-term productivity is nowhere near as clear-cut.
    • Our_Benefactors 11mo ago
      Have you used it? It should be, and does.
      • bandrami 11mo ago
        Did you read the article? It cites the METR study[1] which showed that while people using AI tools to program report feeling like they are producing more, they are in fact producing about 20% less than without the tools. Ironically you could get the same effect and save compute fees by simply having programmers stay home one day a week. [1] https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/ https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o...
        • Our_Benefactors 11mo ago
          Did you read the article? > We do not provide evidence that: AI systems do not currently speed up many or most software developers
          • bandrami 11mo ago
            Correct, it only shows that AI slows down experienced developers, which is who the thread is about.
        • CamperBob2 11mo ago
          That study is straight out of the school that measures productivity in kLOC. Completely worthless except as fuel for Internet arguments and poorly-informed policymaking.
          • bandrami 11mo ago
            OK, should be easy to find a better study then, right?
            • CamperBob2 11mo ago
              Not my job. Ask your friendly neighborhood LLM, maybe.
              • bandrami 11mo ago
                If I wanted advice from someone who was confidently wrong I would talk to a project manager
                • CamperBob2 11mo ago
                  Zing
  • bandrami 11mo ago
    Why should it be necessary to adopt a tool that reduces your productivity by 20%?
    • Our_Benefactors 11mo ago
      Please provide supporting evidence of this wild claim.
      • Terr_ 11mo ago
        I suggest checking the HN submission before giving up. > Most alarmingly, the METR study found experienced developers took 19% longer with AI tools, despite believing they’d sped up by 20%.
        • Our_Benefactors 11mo ago
          Did you read the article? > We do not provide evidence that: AI systems do not currently speed up many or most software developers
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          • Terr_ 11mo ago
            > many or most You act like that's a "gotcha" instead of a normal thing. All they mean by that [0] is that can't mathematically prove their developers/tasks/tool are representative for of the majority of worldwide developers/tasks/tools. You're demanding an unreasonable level of investment for anyone to "prove a negative." The burden of proof lies on the people claiming zillion-fold boosts in productivity across "enough" places that they don't really define. This is especially true because they could profit in the process, as opposed to other people burning money to prove a point. [0] https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/ https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o...
      • bandrami 11mo ago
• o11c 11mo ago
  Yeah that's an outright fraudulent claim. But most fraud is legal, and most illegal fraud never sees legal action taken against it.