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Django 6.0 beta 1 released
- webology 11mo agoDjango 6.0 beta 1 is now available. It represents the second stage in the 6.0 release cycle and is an opportunity to try out the changes coming in Django 6.0.
- ranger_danger 11mo agoIncompatible with the default Ubuntu 22.04 LTS python version, just FYI (uses 3.10 whereas the minimum is now 3.12).
- wolf550e 11mo agoIs this handled by uv or do you need to use deadsnakes ppa?
- stavros 11mo agoIf anything, you'd need the opposite, as deadsnakes is old versions (OP needs a new version).
- wolf550e 11mo agodeadsnakes has 3.13.8, 3.14.0 and 3.15-a1 for 22.04: https://launchpad.net/~deadsnakes/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field.series_filter=jammy https://launchpad.net/~deadsnakes/+archive/ubuntu/ppa?field....
- stavros 11mo agoOh interesting, I didn't realize they started including newer versions. I guess that makes the name a misnomer then...
- collinmanderson 11mo agoYes, that's pretty typical. I think there's a general assumption if you're using older python you'll probably stick to Django LTS 5.2 from this April which still supports Python 3.10. They only drop python versions right after LTS (which is part of why they increase the major version at that point). https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/faq/install/#what-python-version-can-i-use-with-django https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/faq/install/#what-pyth... Also Django LTS 5.2 is supported a year longer than Ubuntu 22.04. (April 2028 vs April 2027)
- davidkwast 11mo agoYou can always use pyenv to install any Python on any mainstream Linux. I only use pyenv Python to develop on any laptop or any server. My dev laptop is still Ubuntu 22.04 and I have any Python from 2.7 to 3.14 . https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv https://github.com/pyenv/pyenv Simple Python version management
- majorchord 11mo agoWow I had no idea about that, thanks!
- int_19h 11mo agoBetter yet, uv: https://docs.astral.sh/uv/guides/install-python/ https://docs.astral.sh/uv/guides/install-python/
- gdulli 11mo agoBuilding Python from source is trivial, I wouldn't let the distro dictate what I can and can't use for such an important part of the stack.
- stackskipton 11mo agoOps here, using System Python is always asking for trouble, just put Django into a container and call it a day.
- ranger_danger 11mo agoWhat kind of trouble? That's all I've ever used for the last 15 years of my professional Django work and never had any issues...
- stackskipton 11mo agoAnything involving Distro updating. There is no reason not to use containers except Docker Build scary!
- Balinares 11mo agoIncompatibility with Python version in current LTS Ubuntu sounds like an issue to me. FWIW I used to be fine with just dealing with system Python, like you, but recent tools like uv make it so easy and convenient to isolate interpreters and dependencies per project that I'm just not going back.
- loloquwowndueo 11mo agoIf you need Python 3.12 you should update to Ubuntu 24.04 if you want to stick with distro packages.
- tkcranny 11mo agoLooks like Django 6 is getting an offical task system. There’s no real world brokers or workers supported (at least built in), but still centralising around a standard interface might make things nicer than the celery tentacle monsters Django apps eventually tend to mutate into.
- ponytech 11mo agoI don´t understand how you could use this new tasks system in production if there is no real workers when it's released? Are there any 3rd party yet?
- HiPhish 11mo agoI guess the idea is first to provide a generic interface to connect various backends to and let the community develop those. Users of Django should then be able to swap one out for another. Maybe one will emerge as a quasi-standard or maybe it will be like database backends where different backends serve different purposes. At leas that's my guess.
- ranger_danger 11mo agoMy understanding is that if you just need to return a response to the client as quickly as possible, but are ok with then processing your task directly after that, then it's still usable today. But if you want to schedule a task further in the future, then a new backend will be needed for that.
- dabeeeenster 11mo agoI think the bigger use case is being able to (backoff) retry failing API calls to 3rd party services. AFAIUI the new tasks package doesnt offer this in v1 which is a deal breaker for my project, at least.
- majorchord 11mo agoFor me I think it works well as is because my use case is sending several different emails after POST'ing to a view, which, there is no need to make the user wait for in my case, as they don't care about the status of the mail delivery. But I realize there are many other usecases too that will need proper workers.
- varispeed 11mo agoI love Django - it's so boring and just works. It is fairly LLM friendly, so it is dead easy to whip up an admin panel for something in an evening.
- pryelluw 11mo agoLove me Django and excited about this release. It’s been quite a journey through the years. I started working with it a little before 1.0 and continue to do so. Nowadays as an independent consultant which gives me the ability to really help keep Django systems up to date. Yes, there’s some rough edges. Like updating can be tricky sometimes, and performance relating to DB queries is a skill in itself, but in general it’s a great framework to build most web software out there.
- vecter 11mo agoWhat're some DB query performance issues you've run across in the past and how did you resolve them?
- ranger_danger 11mo agoI assume they are referring to the default behavior of the ORM fetching all fields for a model by default, and the frequent need to use select_related/prefetch_related to group your queries into larger ones that are (usually) much faster than making many small queries for related tables.
- pryelluw 11mo agoPeople generally don’t take the time to learn the framework and miss out on the tooling it provides. select_related for example. If I had a dollar for every project I’ve been hired to work on that didn’t use it, well, I actually do. Also, people in general don’t seem to be able to do more than very basic SQL, so creating views is seen as a little known performance “trick”. In general, people who don’t read the manual.
- nojs 11mo agoFYI you can avoid the manual sprinkling of select_related somewhat with https://pypi.org/project/django-auto-prefetch/ https://pypi.org/project/django-auto-prefetch/, which avoids the lowest hanging N+1 loops automatically. Definitely not a cure all but it helps.
- frio 11mo agoI love Django, and the new `tasks` framework to replace `celery` (/whatever processor you prefer) looks great. I've only recently come back to it, and I do hope they continue to add more batteries to their "batteries included" framework over time. I was surprised just how much stuff I had to add to my little project that will require updating _outside_ the main framework, eg.: * django-components for little template partials (I'm not sure the new partials feature is robust enough to replace this) * django-(configurator,split-settings,pick-your-poison-here) for more robust settings management * structlog for much better logging (feels like this should get baked into Python's stdlib...) * debug-toolbar * dj-database-url for parsing database URLs (should be baked in!) * django-money There's plenty of other deps that are less annoying/surprising (eg. Sentry, granian, Tailwind), but the set above feel like more or less like they should be baked in, and (to my mind) don't represent an inordinate amount of work to adopt. Other than that, it's been a real pleasure coming back to it, and I'm excited for its continuation. EDIT -- oh, and built-in static types, stubs and stubs-ext were a bit of a nightmare to get working well.
- ranger_danger 11mo agoIn addition to the debug-toolbar, I'd really like people to know about https://github.com/jazzband/django-silk https://github.com/jazzband/django-silk (no affiliation) I just recently found it and it has been amazing. It logs all your requests and responses by default (but is quite configurable) as well as your SQL queries (and how many/how long they take), in an easily searchable database. It can even profile functions for you. Makes it very to see at a glance what pages are slow for people, and why, so they can be optimized accordingly.
- frio 11mo agoThis is neat, thanks :)
- Waterluvian 11mo agoSilk is so dang amazing I deploy it to devel and staging at work. It helps me so quickly drill down at bad ORM or SQL performance issues.
- hooverd 11mo agoDjango tasks!? Waow.
- HiPhish 11mo agoI would really like if there was a way to integrate with non-Python ecosystems. I know this is way outside the scope of Django, but I still have to mention it. The moment you want to rely on a JavaScript library or generate some CSS you pretty much have to pull in Node and NPM because there just so much value in those ecosystems. And then you have to put up with a second ecosystem with its own build system and somehow have to magically tie those two together, adding adapters on top of adapters.
- esafak 11mo agoLike for what?
- umko21 11mo agoDRF and Django Ninja do this? For magically tying the ecosystems, I recommend generating client side http libraries from the OpenAPI schema.
- avtar 11mo ago> The moment you want to rely on a JavaScript library or generate some CSS you pretty much have to pull in Node and NPM because there just so much value in those ecosystems. Perhaps I'm missing details here but isn't that a reality with non-js web frameworks? The Phoenix docs mention esbuild and npm right off the bat: https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix/asset_management.html https://hexdocs.pm/phoenix/asset_management.html Laravel expects node, npm, and vite at the very least: https://laravel.com/docs/12.x/vite https://laravel.com/docs/12.x/vite
- gitaarik 11mo agoYou can just add any frontend framework and bundler you like with django. Django just serves HTML templates and you can load your JS libraries in your HTML template. Yeah you can't use create-react-app or something. You have to do a little bit more work to set it up. But it is certainly very doable.
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- lpellis 11mo agoA task framework could be very useful, setting up celery task can get complicated very fast, especially once you have multiple servers with rolling deploys or recurring task (celery-beat). Rails has active-job and is always something I felt was missing from Django.
- kavyanshkh 11mo agocool! will just wait for the rc or release then.
- kavyanshkh 11mo agocool! will wait for rc or full release then ig.
- pkundi 11mo agoDjango is great. With complete async support, it would be my de-facto backend framework of choice.
- rick1290 11mo agowhats your defacto now?
- BLanen 11mo agoHow is django performance these days? I remember the average latencies(100ms+) for even simple things being a non-starter for me.
- mervz 11mo agoI noticed this in development mode but performance improved substantially in production
- manickavasagan 11mo agoWow !! Finally a new version is released !! . I love Django because it have Simple Syntax,Support large Scale application and modern . But I have a question is SpringBoot better than Django ?