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"the world’s most advanced mobile operating system" I feel this needs to be quantified. How is it more "advanced" than the latest version of Android?

by OhArgh 14y ago

seiji 14y ago
Perfect scrolling, your applications can't spy on you, iTunes integration, and you don't constantly need to play whack-an-app to preserve battery life.
- Tichy 14y ago
  How do they manage the "applications can't spy on you" part? (Not counting the WhatsApp debacle). Also: iTunes???
  - seiji 14y ago
    Millions of people have a significant investment in iTunes media. They don't understand DRM-vs-not. They don't understand sideloading or frontloading or rearloading. They just want to plug-n-go. Pick some well off high school nearby and ask kids how often they buy something on iTunes. You'll cry when a large portion of them say multiple times per week. You'll go catatonic when they mention regularly spending over $100 per month. We are not the target demo for these devices--normal people are.
    - Tichy 14y ago
      Sure, it works, I was just questioning the "most advanced" aspect of it.
      - seiji 14y ago
        It's PR. If it isn't blatantly superlative then it isn't worth pushing. Ever notice how every episode of every tv show is "The best episode yet" or "The most exciting season finale ever" or "The most suspenseful reveal you've ever seen?" The past is the past, you are now, and you are the best most amazing super duper thing ever conceived by person kind for the benefit of the universe and our personal profit. dattebayo.
    - OhArgh 14y ago
      I wonder how long this will last though. I agree the average user here is not the target market and people just want something that works, but surely services like Spotify are making inroads here.
    - polshaw 14y ago
      >ask kids how often they buy something on iTunes. You'll cry when a large portion of them say multiple times per week [citation needed]
      - sbuk 14y ago
        Petty. There has been a lot of hyperbole from both sides, but to demand a citation for the success of the iTunes platform is wilfully ingnoring the obvious.
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  1. Perfect scrolling? Not in my experience with the iPad 3 (woops, "The new iPad"). 2. Have you seen the list of requested permissions when you install an Android app? Not that there haven't been privacy issues with iOS. 3. No iTunes integration sounds like an advantage to me. 4. I get the feeling most Apple fanbois have never actually used an Android device, because I have never had to close apps to save battery life. No one has encouraged the use of task managers on Android in years. And I don't see how an OS where you can't choose your browser or get built-in reliable maps or public transit info can be called "advanced"
  - Kerrick 14y ago
    Oh come on, iOS and Android are both "advanced" operating systems. You may be able to argue which is "most advanced," but they are both certainly advanced.
  - mitchty 14y ago
    I've used my friends cyanogen and non s3's, honestly Androids not bad. The problem for me is the phones themselves. I have "girl hands" (size 7.5), I can't do bigger phones and use them with one hand. As for public transit info any developer can register their app to provide that data. And to be honest I think its not that bad of an idea to let transit providers update transit information rather than having Google try. (where I am they don't even try that) As for picking the browser, you're moving goal posts if you don't consider iOS "advanced" for lacking it.
    - w1ntermute 14y ago
      > I can't do bigger phones and use them with one hand. I can't personally relate to this issue, but yes, there is a lack of (flagship) Android phones with smaller screen sizes. Like many other guys, I actually need the larger screen size or I can't accurately hit the keys on the virtual keyboard. However, one interesting thing I've observed is that this trend is reversed in Asia - the women (who are much more petite, including their hands, than Western women) adore the Galaxy Note, which even I find to be way too big. I've seen girls who can barely hold their Note with both hands. > And to be honest I think its not that bad of an idea to let transit providers update transit information rather than having Google try. This sounds like a double standard to me. People always praise Apple for its tightly integrated software, but the one time it decides to leave something core to the OS to 3rd party developers, it's a good idea? I think you should try extensively using Google Maps on Android before making this judgment. The value in being able to see the door-to-door journey directions, along with the total time, distance, and cost of travel, is nothing short of amazing. When living in a city that essentially runs on public transit, like, NYC or Tokyo, I can tell you from personal experience that access to Google Maps is truly transformational. Jumping between apps to get public transit info simply does not compare. > As for picking the browser, you're moving goal posts if you don't consider iOS "advanced" for lacking it. Please elaborate, because I don't get your point. If it's that this contrasts with my stance on maps, it's not that I want browser choice instead of a good browser - I want both (just as with maps).
- mtgx 14y ago
  Apple has had some pretty huge privacy scandals over the past 2 years.
OhArgh 14y ago
Or even what defines a mobile operating system. Curiosity is technically mobile and has an operating system...
- recursive 14y ago
  I doubt curiosity's OS is very advanced from the mobile phone marketing perspective. I'd think it's very conservatively written.
  - OhArgh 14y ago
    So no martian HTML5 support then? :P
flyinRyan 14y ago
It's advertising on their site. Of course it doesn't need to be "qualified" just because some evangelistic wished every site talked up their favorite products instead.
- OhArgh 14y ago
  I just thought it was an interesting claim. And I think it does need to be qualified at least to some extent. http://www.bbb.org/us/bbb-code-of-advertising/#Do http://www.bbb.org/us/bbb-code-of-advertising/#Do
  - Dirlewanger 14y ago
    You do realize the BBB has no power whatsoever and therefore their guidelines ultimately mean nothing?
jjguy 14y ago
Android O&M is a disaster is not changing anytime soon. Quibble on features out of the box if you like, but in end-to-end support the iPhone is still the hands down winner. See http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphan...
- polshaw 14y ago
  But the quote wasn't 'world's most end-to-end supported mobile OS'
mbesto 14y ago
How do you propose quantifying this?
JackC 14y ago
I don't think there's any objective way to define "most advanced" -- it just means "best." Their marketers claim the new OS they made is the best OS. If there is some aspect of the OS that is considered the best by someone, they're not wrong. If there is some aspect of some other OS that is considered the best by someone, they're not right. From your BBB link, see "puffery." As other examples: they say the demand for the new phone is "incredible," they've been working "hard," the phone is "completely" redesigned and "blazing" fast, Macs are "the best" personal computers in the world, and that Apple "leads" the digital music "revolution". If you feel the need to define quantifiable standards for some or all of those words, please do so -- it's the same motivation that drives people to get philosophy PhDs. But understand that you will be neither right nor wrong because those terms are subjective (and, word to the wise, if you get a philosophy PhD your options for professional employment will be limited).

"the world’s most advanced mobile operating system" I feel this needs to be quantified. How is it more "advanced" than the latest version of Android?

by OhArgh 14y ago

"the world’s most advanced mobile operating system" I feel this needs to be quantified. How is it more "advanced" than the latest version of Android?

seiji 14y ago

Perfect scrolling, your applications can't spy on you, iTunes integration, and you don't constantly need to play whack-an-app to preserve battery life.

Tichy 14y ago
How do they manage the "applications can't spy on you" part? (Not counting the WhatsApp debacle). Also: iTunes???
- seiji 14y ago
  Millions of people have a significant investment in iTunes media. They don't understand DRM-vs-not. They don't understand sideloading or frontloading or rearloading. They just want to plug-n-go. Pick some well off high school nearby and ask kids how often they buy something on iTunes. You'll cry when a large portion of them say multiple times per week. You'll go catatonic when they mention regularly spending over $100 per month. We are not the target demo for these devices--normal people are.
  - Tichy 14y ago
    Sure, it works, I was just questioning the "most advanced" aspect of it.
    - seiji 14y ago
      It's PR. If it isn't blatantly superlative then it isn't worth pushing. Ever notice how every episode of every tv show is "The best episode yet" or "The most exciting season finale ever" or "The most suspenseful reveal you've ever seen?" The past is the past, you are now, and you are the best most amazing super duper thing ever conceived by person kind for the benefit of the universe and our personal profit. dattebayo.
  - OhArgh 14y ago
    I wonder how long this will last though. I agree the average user here is not the target market and people just want something that works, but surely services like Spotify are making inroads here.
  - polshaw 14y ago
    >ask kids how often they buy something on iTunes. You'll cry when a large portion of them say multiple times per week [citation needed]
    - sbuk 14y ago
      Petty. There has been a lot of hyperbole from both sides, but to demand a citation for the success of the iTunes platform is wilfully ingnoring the obvious.
w1ntermute 14y ago
1. Perfect scrolling? Not in my experience with the iPad 3 (woops, "The new iPad"). 2. Have you seen the list of requested permissions when you install an Android app? Not that there haven't been privacy issues with iOS. 3. No iTunes integration sounds like an advantage to me. 4. I get the feeling most Apple fanbois have never actually used an Android device, because I have never had to close apps to save battery life. No one has encouraged the use of task managers on Android in years. And I don't see how an OS where you can't choose your browser or get built-in reliable maps or public transit info can be called "advanced"
- Kerrick 14y ago
  Oh come on, iOS and Android are both "advanced" operating systems. You may be able to argue which is "most advanced," but they are both certainly advanced.
- mitchty 14y ago
  I've used my friends cyanogen and non s3's, honestly Androids not bad. The problem for me is the phones themselves. I have "girl hands" (size 7.5), I can't do bigger phones and use them with one hand. As for public transit info any developer can register their app to provide that data. And to be honest I think its not that bad of an idea to let transit providers update transit information rather than having Google try. (where I am they don't even try that) As for picking the browser, you're moving goal posts if you don't consider iOS "advanced" for lacking it.
  - w1ntermute 14y ago
    > I can't do bigger phones and use them with one hand. I can't personally relate to this issue, but yes, there is a lack of (flagship) Android phones with smaller screen sizes. Like many other guys, I actually need the larger screen size or I can't accurately hit the keys on the virtual keyboard. However, one interesting thing I've observed is that this trend is reversed in Asia - the women (who are much more petite, including their hands, than Western women) adore the Galaxy Note, which even I find to be way too big. I've seen girls who can barely hold their Note with both hands. > And to be honest I think its not that bad of an idea to let transit providers update transit information rather than having Google try. This sounds like a double standard to me. People always praise Apple for its tightly integrated software, but the one time it decides to leave something core to the OS to 3rd party developers, it's a good idea? I think you should try extensively using Google Maps on Android before making this judgment. The value in being able to see the door-to-door journey directions, along with the total time, distance, and cost of travel, is nothing short of amazing. When living in a city that essentially runs on public transit, like, NYC or Tokyo, I can tell you from personal experience that access to Google Maps is truly transformational. Jumping between apps to get public transit info simply does not compare. > As for picking the browser, you're moving goal posts if you don't consider iOS "advanced" for lacking it. Please elaborate, because I don't get your point. If it's that this contrasts with my stance on maps, it's not that I want browser choice instead of a good browser - I want both (just as with maps).
mtgx 14y ago
Apple has had some pretty huge privacy scandals over the past 2 years.

OhArgh 14y ago

Or even what defines a mobile operating system. Curiosity is technically mobile and has an operating system...

recursive 14y ago
I doubt curiosity's OS is very advanced from the mobile phone marketing perspective. I'd think it's very conservatively written.
- OhArgh 14y ago
  So no martian HTML5 support then? :P

flyinRyan 14y ago

It's advertising on their site. Of course it doesn't need to be "qualified" just because some evangelistic wished every site talked up their favorite products instead.

OhArgh 14y ago
I just thought it was an interesting claim. And I think it does need to be qualified at least to some extent. http://www.bbb.org/us/bbb-code-of-advertising/#Do http://www.bbb.org/us/bbb-code-of-advertising/#Do
- Dirlewanger 14y ago
  You do realize the BBB has no power whatsoever and therefore their guidelines ultimately mean nothing?

jjguy 14y ago

Android O&M is a disaster is not changing anytime soon. Quibble on features out of the box if you like, but in end-to-end support the iPhone is still the hands down winner. See http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphan...

polshaw 14y ago
But the quote wasn't 'world's most end-to-end supported mobile OS'

mbesto 14y ago

How do you propose quantifying this?

JackC 14y ago

I don't think there's any objective way to define "most advanced" -- it just means "best." Their marketers claim the new OS they made is the best OS. If there is some aspect of the OS that is considered the best by someone, they're not wrong. If there is some aspect of some other OS that is considered the best by someone, they're not right. From your BBB link, see "puffery." As other examples: they say the demand for the new phone is "incredible," they've been working "hard," the phone is "completely" redesigned and "blazing" fast, Macs are "the best" personal computers in the world, and that Apple "leads" the digital music "revolution". If you feel the need to define quantifiable standards for some or all of those words, please do so -- it's the same motivation that drives people to get philosophy PhDs. But understand that you will be neither right nor wrong because those terms are subjective (and, word to the wise, if you get a philosophy PhD your options for professional employment will be limited).