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Because 8GiB is insufficient for most work in 2025, so cheap Macbook is simply better Chromebook at this point: https://videocardz.com/newz/pcgh-demonstrates-wh

by miga 11mo ago

Because 8GiB is insufficient for most work in 2025, so cheap Macbook is simply better Chromebook at this point: https://videocardz.com/newz/pcgh-demonstrates-why-8gb-gpus-are-simply-not-good-enough-for-2025 https://videocardz.com/newz/pcgh-demonstrates-why-8gb-gpus-a... And 16GiB VRAM insufficient for games: https://videocardz.com/newz/pcgh-demonstrates-why-8gb-gpus-are-simply-not-good-enough-for-2025#:~:text=In%20short%2C%20the%20results%20are,least%2012%20GB%20of%20memory. https://videocardz.com/newz/pcgh-demonstrates-why-8gb-gpus-a... Also, 3nm M4 is going head-to-head with older Ryzen AI 365 in everything except for power efficiency: https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m4-vs-amd-ryzen-ai-9-365 https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-compare/apple-m4-vs-amd-ryzen-... When compared in multicore against Ryzen AI Pro laptops (high end), even Apple M5 are behind in the dust... https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_ai_max_plus_pro_395-vs-apple_m5 https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_ai_max_p... Despite awesome progress with its latest ARM processors, Apple was caught behind Ryzen, and is threatened by next generation of Zen processors.

NaomiLehman 11mo ago
except real life performance is not about nm process (this is almost completely irrelevant) or benchmarks. I load my DuckDB into RAM and I'm mindblown at the speed that I can run data analysis on it due to RAM bandwidth and the fact that it's SoC, so almost no bottleneck between RAM and the CPU. Dozens of seconds on a $5k PC compared to milliseconds on a $2k Mac. Not to mention that Windows 11 is a very weird OS. Linux is great for some usecases, but doesn't utilize the hardware in the same way as other OSs. I have all OSs at home and the difference is stupendous.
- seec 11mo ago
  If the task takes "dozens of seconds" on the PC, there is no way it is shortened to millisecond on the Mac. Unless you purposefully make it a bad comparison to favor the Mac. I'm going to call it and say that you are full of shit. The improvements seem to come from the software: https://duckdb.org/2024/06/26/benchmarks-over-time https://duckdb.org/2024/06/26/benchmarks-over-time If you were to benchmark 2 current comparable machines, the difference would be negligible.

by miga 11mo ago

NaomiLehman 11mo ago

except real life performance is not about nm process (this is almost completely irrelevant) or benchmarks. I load my DuckDB into RAM and I'm mindblown at the speed that I can run data analysis on it due to RAM bandwidth and the fact that it's SoC, so almost no bottleneck between RAM and the CPU. Dozens of seconds on a $5k PC compared to milliseconds on a $2k Mac. Not to mention that Windows 11 is a very weird OS. Linux is great for some usecases, but doesn't utilize the hardware in the same way as other OSs. I have all OSs at home and the difference is stupendous.

seec 11mo ago
If the task takes "dozens of seconds" on the PC, there is no way it is shortened to millisecond on the Mac. Unless you purposefully make it a bad comparison to favor the Mac. I'm going to call it and say that you are full of shit. The improvements seem to come from the software: https://duckdb.org/2024/06/26/benchmarks-over-time https://duckdb.org/2024/06/26/benchmarks-over-time If you were to benchmark 2 current comparable machines, the difference would be negligible.