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You can argue about Hetzner's uptime, but you can 't argue about Hetzner's pricing which is hands down the best there is. I'd rather go with Hetzner and cobble

You can argue about Hetzner's uptime, but you can 't argue about Hetzner's pricing which is hands down the best there is. I'd rather go with Hetzner and cobble up together some failover than pay AWS extortion.

sreekanth850 11mo ago
TBH, in my last 3 years with Hetzner, i never saw a downtime to my servers other than myself doing some routin maitenance for os updates. Location Falkenstein.
- whizzter 11mo ago
  You really need your backup procedures and failover procedures though, a friend bought a used server and the disk died fairly quickly leaving him sour.
  - esseph 11mo ago
    THE disk? It's a server! What in the world is your friend doing running a single disk??? Ate a bare minimum they should have been running a mirror.
    - whizzter 11mo ago
      Younger guy with ambitions but little experience, I think my point was that used servers with Hetzner are still used so if someone has been running disk heavy jobs you might want to request new disks or multiple ones and not just pick the cheapest options at the auction. (Interesting that an anectode like above got downvoted)
      - naikrovek 11mo ago
        > (Interesting that an anectode like above got downvoted) experts almost unilaterally judge newbies harshly, as if the newbies should already know all of the mistakes to avoid. things like this are how you learn what mistakes to avoid. "hindsight is 20/20" means nothing to a lot of people, unfortunately.
  - sreekanth850 11mo ago
    I do have HA setup and Backup for DB that run periodically to an S3.
- ratg13 11mo ago
  And I have seen them delete my entire environment including my backups due to them not following their own procedures. Sure, if you configure offsite backups you can guard against this stuff, but with anything in life, you get what you pay for.
Lio 11mo ago
For the price of AWS you could run Hetzner, a second provider for resiliancy and still make a large saving. Your margin is my opportunity indeed.
- benterix 11mo ago
  Exactly. Hetzner is the equivalent of the original Raspberry Pi. It might not have all fancy features but it delivers and for the price that essentially unblocks you and allows you to do things you wouldn't be able to do otherwise.
  - esskay 11mo ago
    They've been working pretty hard on those extra features. Their load balancing across locations is pretty decent for example.
- k4rli 11mo ago
  I switched to netcup for even cheaper private vps for personal noncritical hosting. I'd heard of netcup being less reliable but so far 4 months+ uptime and no problems. Europe region. Hetzner has the better web interface and supposedly better uptime, but I've had no problems with either. Web interface not necessary at all either when using only ssh and paying directly.
  - Aldipower 11mo ago
    I am on Hetzner with a primary + backup server and on Netcup (Vienna) with a secondary. For DNS I am using ClouDNS. I think I am more distributed then most of the AWS folks and it still is way cheaper.
  - wasmitnetzen 11mo ago
    I've been running my self-hosting stuff on Netcup for 5+ years and I don't remember any outages. There probably were some, but they were not significant enough for me to remember.
  - PaulKeeble 11mo ago
motorest 11mo ago
> I'd rather go with Hetzner and cobble up together some failover than pay AWS extortion. Comments like this are so exaggerated that they risk moving the goodwill needle back to where it was before. Hetzner offers no service that is similar to DynamoDB, IAM or Lambda. If you are going to praise Hetzner as a valid alternative during a DynamoDB outage caused by DNS configuration, you would need to a) argue that Hetzner is a better option regarding DNS outages, b) Hetzner is a preferable option for those who use serverless offers. I say this as a long-time Hetzner user. Herzner is indeed cheaper, but don't pretend that Herzner let's you click your way into a highly-availale nosql data store. You need non-trivial levels of you're ow work to develop, deploy, and maintain such a service.
- mschuster91 11mo ago
  > Hetzner offers no service that is similar to DynamoDB, IAM or Lambda. The key thing you should ask yourself: do you need DynamoDB or Lambda? Like "need need" or "my resume needs Lambda".
  - darkwater 11mo ago
    Well, Lambda scales down to 0 so I don't have to pay for the expensive EC2 instan... oh, wait!
  - motorest 11mo ago
    > The key thing you should ask yourself: do you need DynamoDB or Lambda? Like "need need" or "my resume needs Lambda". If you read the message you're replying to, you will notice that I singled out IAM, Lambda, and DynamoDB because those services were affected by the outage. If Hetzner is pushed as a better or even relevant alternative, you need to be able to explain exactly what you are hoping to say to Lambda/IAM/DynamoDB users to convince them that they would do better if they used Hetzner instead. Making up conspiracy theories over CVs doesn't cut it. Either you know anything about the topic and you actually are able to support this idea, or you're an eternal September admission whose only contribution is noise and memes. What is it?
- esskay 11mo ago
briHass 11mo ago
What is the Hetzner equivalent for those in Windows Server land? I looked around for some VPS/DS providers that specialize in Windows, and they all seem somewhat shady with websites that look like early 2000s e-commerce.
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sreekanth850 11mo ago

TBH, in my last 3 years with Hetzner, i never saw a downtime to my servers other than myself doing some routin maitenance for os updates. Location Falkenstein.

whizzter 11mo ago
You really need your backup procedures and failover procedures though, a friend bought a used server and the disk died fairly quickly leaving him sour.
- esseph 11mo ago
  THE disk? It's a server! What in the world is your friend doing running a single disk??? Ate a bare minimum they should have been running a mirror.
  - whizzter 11mo ago
    Younger guy with ambitions but little experience, I think my point was that used servers with Hetzner are still used so if someone has been running disk heavy jobs you might want to request new disks or multiple ones and not just pick the cheapest options at the auction. (Interesting that an anectode like above got downvoted)
    - naikrovek 11mo ago
      > (Interesting that an anectode like above got downvoted) experts almost unilaterally judge newbies harshly, as if the newbies should already know all of the mistakes to avoid. things like this are how you learn what mistakes to avoid. "hindsight is 20/20" means nothing to a lot of people, unfortunately.
- sreekanth850 11mo ago
  I do have HA setup and Backup for DB that run periodically to an S3.
ratg13 11mo ago
And I have seen them delete my entire environment including my backups due to them not following their own procedures. Sure, if you configure offsite backups you can guard against this stuff, but with anything in life, you get what you pay for.

Lio 11mo ago

For the price of AWS you could run Hetzner, a second provider for resiliancy and still make a large saving. Your margin is my opportunity indeed.

benterix 11mo ago
Exactly. Hetzner is the equivalent of the original Raspberry Pi. It might not have all fancy features but it delivers and for the price that essentially unblocks you and allows you to do things you wouldn't be able to do otherwise.
- esskay 11mo ago
  They've been working pretty hard on those extra features. Their load balancing across locations is pretty decent for example.
k4rli 11mo ago
I switched to netcup for even cheaper private vps for personal noncritical hosting. I'd heard of netcup being less reliable but so far 4 months+ uptime and no problems. Europe region. Hetzner has the better web interface and supposedly better uptime, but I've had no problems with either. Web interface not necessary at all either when using only ssh and paying directly.
- Aldipower 11mo ago
  I am on Hetzner with a primary + backup server and on Netcup (Vienna) with a secondary. For DNS I am using ClouDNS. I think I am more distributed then most of the AWS folks and it still is way cheaper.
- wasmitnetzen 11mo ago
  I've been running my self-hosting stuff on Netcup for 5+ years and I don't remember any outages. There probably were some, but they were not significant enough for me to remember.
- PaulKeeble 11mo ago

motorest 11mo ago

> I'd rather go with Hetzner and cobble up together some failover than pay AWS extortion. Comments like this are so exaggerated that they risk moving the goodwill needle back to where it was before. Hetzner offers no service that is similar to DynamoDB, IAM or Lambda. If you are going to praise Hetzner as a valid alternative during a DynamoDB outage caused by DNS configuration, you would need to a) argue that Hetzner is a better option regarding DNS outages, b) Hetzner is a preferable option for those who use serverless offers. I say this as a long-time Hetzner user. Herzner is indeed cheaper, but don't pretend that Herzner let's you click your way into a highly-availale nosql data store. You need non-trivial levels of you're ow work to develop, deploy, and maintain such a service.

mschuster91 11mo ago
> Hetzner offers no service that is similar to DynamoDB, IAM or Lambda. The key thing you should ask yourself: do you need DynamoDB or Lambda? Like "need need" or "my resume needs Lambda".
- darkwater 11mo ago
  Well, Lambda scales down to 0 so I don't have to pay for the expensive EC2 instan... oh, wait!
- motorest 11mo ago
  > The key thing you should ask yourself: do you need DynamoDB or Lambda? Like "need need" or "my resume needs Lambda". If you read the message you're replying to, you will notice that I singled out IAM, Lambda, and DynamoDB because those services were affected by the outage. If Hetzner is pushed as a better or even relevant alternative, you need to be able to explain exactly what you are hoping to say to Lambda/IAM/DynamoDB users to convince them that they would do better if they used Hetzner instead. Making up conspiracy theories over CVs doesn't cut it. Either you know anything about the topic and you actually are able to support this idea, or you're an eternal September admission whose only contribution is noise and memes. What is it?
esskay 11mo ago

briHass 11mo ago

What is the Hetzner equivalent for those in Windows Server land? I looked around for some VPS/DS providers that specialize in Windows, and they all seem somewhat shady with websites that look like early 2000s e-commerce.

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