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I think this is the right move. Thank you to Ruby Core and Matz for stepping up and providing stability to the language and community as a whole.
by sebiw 11mo ago
I think this is the right move. Thank you to Ruby Core and Matz for stepping up and providing stability to the language and community as a whole.
- delichon 11mo agoMatz is a pillar. Remember "Matz is nice and so we are nice"? s/nice/nice and responsible/gc.
- sam_lowry_ 11mo ago[flagged]
- s0sa 11mo agoI think that viewpoint says more about you than it does the Ruby community.
- dudeinjapan 11mo agoSurprised to hear this, have been a Rubyist for many years and never felt this way about community as a whole. Come to Ruby Kaigi in Japan sometime!
- binary132 11mo ago[flagged]
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- sebiw 11mo agoI don't like talking about a heterogeneous group of people in a generally negative way. I try to stick to the people I perceive as sharing the same values that are important to me. And there are many such people in the Ruby community.
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- ryandv 11mo ago> I don't like talking about a heterogeneous group of people > many such people in the Ruby community. In which case, this presumes that the values you share with the Ruby community are positive - otherwise you would be talking about this heterogeneous group in a generally negative way. This would appear to beg the very question under contention - that the values of the Ruby community are not in fact positive, but toxic; unless you wish to argue that a community can simultaneously profess positive values and still exhibit toxic behaviour. One position offers historical (and current) examples; the other offers an impressive feat of linguistic gymnastics.
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- the_mitsuhiko 11mo ago> Remember why the lucky stiff? I remember _why and I definitely don't remember him as toxic.
- sam_lowry_ 11mo agoWasn't his identity revealed while he wanted to remain anonymous?
- gcr 11mo agoPerhaps OP meant that _why was a victim of toxicity, rather than a purveyor of it?
- the_mitsuhiko 11mo agoMy recollection is that some people in the community knew his identity. His sudden disappearance invited a lot of people to dig into it, many of which were not even Ruby people to begin with. There was even a newspaper article written about him years after. I would not attribute all that digging to the Ruby community. If anything I remember people being very respectful at the time.
- davidgerard 11mo agothe one from Bluesky with the public real name? That one's literally a vibecamp neoreactionary, so ...
- the_mitsuhiko 11mo ago_why isn't publicly active since his disappearance.
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- davidgerard 11mo agoyes, I'm completely in error, sorry!
- runjake 11mo agowhy’s identity reveal had nothing to do with the Ruby community. A random bad actor posted his personal details in a blog post. The Ruby community respected his pseudonymity. Some of us already knew his name.
- shevy-java 11mo agoIs that a religion now? The pickaxe guys coined it. People repeat it without thinking about it. If matz were to say "jump from the bridge", people would do it, because matz is nice? Just to point out: I do think matz is nice and a great language designer. That in itself doesn't mean anything. Why would I proxy my own decisions based on any mindless slogan? That makes no sense. Why do people in the ruby ecosystem keep on repeating those pointless slogans?
- ubercore 11mo agoI think it's pretty obvious to see the difference between being nice and jumping off a bridge? Curious why this cute phrase bothers you so much.
- vidugavia 11mo agoThe phrase has been weaponized in the past many times. Some figures in the community are almost as far from "nice" as possible, but you're not allowed to call that out, because "it's not nice".
- zahlman 11mo ago> but you're not allowed to call that out, because "it's not nice". I don't know about the Ruby community, but I've seen this sort of complaint made about many other online spaces (including HN) and my general finding is that it simply isn't true. The problem is that for a proper call-out, both form and content matter, and most people in a mindset to make call-outs don't seem very interested in norms surrounding either of those things. Especially the part where part of good form is accepting that not all kind, well-meaning people have the same moral values and calculus.
- fba11837 11mo agoTry calling out Python's inner circle politely while they are openly rude to you. You do know that you also have keep up the pretense of Kim Yong Un as a glorious and benevolent leader even if he imprisoned some of your relatives. This is a response to your generalization, I do not know anything about Ruby politics.