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N8n vs. Windmill vs. Temporal

33 points by arcbjorn 11mo ago

mikert89 11mo ago
OpenAI runs their agents on temporal
- yodon 11mo ago
  Super interesting! Citation?
  - arcbjorn 11mo ago
    The comment was a bit misleading. We have no info OpenAI does it. However we do have info that they have a pretty neat integration: https://temporal.io/blog/announcing-openai-agents-sdk-integration https://temporal.io/blog/announcing-openai-agents-sdk-integr...
JoeBOFH 11mo ago
I can’t speak to N8n or Temporal, but coming to Windmill from Airplane I love it for its simplicity in design for use by others. Being able to build a front end app from a simple Python script has let us quickly deliver end user quick fix style apps out of our already written scripts.
- aitchnyu 11mo ago
  What would a Django(server side templates)+Celery user miss out on without Windmill?
vramana 11mo ago
The article contains a bunch of non existent links. Seems like AI hallucinations to me. Now I have question how much of the article is AI generated.
- arcbjorn 11mo ago
  Thanks for flagging. In software world changes come fast, so its normal for some docs & blogs especially, updated now.
- g8oz 11mo ago
  Looks to be all AI. The telltale is the “$SUBJECT: $SNAPPY_CHARACTERIZATON”motif throughout the subheadings. A secondary telltale is the overuse of Hypophora whereby a rhetorical question is asked and then answered to advance the text.
igorlp 11mo ago
+1 to Windmill. Incredibly powerful tool with a simple UI. It's super easy to Self-Host using their product docker-compose.yaml file and, outside of changing a few variables in a .env file, it's pretty much plug and play. Unlike other tools, you don't need to make any changes to existing scripts when migrating over to Windmill, it accepts plain Python, Typescript, Rust, C#, and many more. We use it to orchestrate all internal tools and automation and has been a huge time saver.
moltar 11mo ago
I wonder under what use case would you compare n8n (no code) to temporal (only code). It’s like apples and oranges?
jedberg 11mo ago
> Temporal optimizes for correctness, sacrificing simplicity. You should check out DBOS, which optimizes for both simplicity and correctness.
- arcbjorn 11mo ago
  Thanks! This looks nice... looking at their SDKs, it doesn't feel on same level of quality. Also, not fully open-source: https://github.com/dbos-inc/dbos-transact-py/issues/488 https://github.com/dbos-inc/dbos-transact-py/issues/488
  - jedberg 11mo ago
    > looking at their SDKs, it doesn't feel on same level of quality. Interesting. The usual feedback is the opposite. For example, DBOS Python works both sync and async, Temporal only async. > Also, not fully open-source: This is not correct, everything you need for durable execution with DBOS is open source (and MIT licensed, unlike Temporal). It's open source the same way Spark is -- everything you need is open source, but you can buy services to make it easier to run and buy support.

33 points by arcbjorn 11mo ago

mikert89 11mo ago

OpenAI runs their agents on temporal

yodon 11mo ago
Super interesting! Citation?
- arcbjorn 11mo ago
  The comment was a bit misleading. We have no info OpenAI does it. However we do have info that they have a pretty neat integration: https://temporal.io/blog/announcing-openai-agents-sdk-integration https://temporal.io/blog/announcing-openai-agents-sdk-integr...

JoeBOFH 11mo ago

I can’t speak to N8n or Temporal, but coming to Windmill from Airplane I love it for its simplicity in design for use by others. Being able to build a front end app from a simple Python script has let us quickly deliver end user quick fix style apps out of our already written scripts.

aitchnyu 11mo ago
What would a Django(server side templates)+Celery user miss out on without Windmill?

vramana 11mo ago

The article contains a bunch of non existent links. Seems like AI hallucinations to me. Now I have question how much of the article is AI generated.

arcbjorn 11mo ago
Thanks for flagging. In software world changes come fast, so its normal for some docs & blogs especially, updated now.
g8oz 11mo ago
Looks to be all AI. The telltale is the “$SUBJECT: $SNAPPY_CHARACTERIZATON”motif throughout the subheadings. A secondary telltale is the overuse of Hypophora whereby a rhetorical question is asked and then answered to advance the text.

igorlp 11mo ago

+1 to Windmill. Incredibly powerful tool with a simple UI. It's super easy to Self-Host using their product docker-compose.yaml file and, outside of changing a few variables in a .env file, it's pretty much plug and play. Unlike other tools, you don't need to make any changes to existing scripts when migrating over to Windmill, it accepts plain Python, Typescript, Rust, C#, and many more. We use it to orchestrate all internal tools and automation and has been a huge time saver.

moltar 11mo ago

I wonder under what use case would you compare n8n (no code) to temporal (only code). It’s like apples and oranges?

jedberg 11mo ago

> Temporal optimizes for correctness, sacrificing simplicity. You should check out DBOS, which optimizes for both simplicity and correctness.

arcbjorn 11mo ago
Thanks! This looks nice... looking at their SDKs, it doesn't feel on same level of quality. Also, not fully open-source: https://github.com/dbos-inc/dbos-transact-py/issues/488 https://github.com/dbos-inc/dbos-transact-py/issues/488
- jedberg 11mo ago
  > looking at their SDKs, it doesn't feel on same level of quality. Interesting. The usual feedback is the opposite. For example, DBOS Python works both sync and async, Temporal only async. > Also, not fully open-source: This is not correct, everything you need for durable execution with DBOS is open source (and MIT licensed, unlike Temporal). It's open source the same way Spark is -- everything you need is open source, but you can buy services to make it easier to run and buy support.