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Cool, but at the same time, it feels overwhelming: so many different CLI or IDE tools, so many extension points. It will be fascinating to see how this all shak

Cool, but at the same time, it feels overwhelming: so many different CLI or IDE tools, so many extension points. It will be fascinating to see how this all shakes out.

verdverm 1y ago
not in gemini-cli's flavor, it's one of the worst tools I've used
- derekcheng08 1y ago
  Is it model quality or the CLI itself?
  - theshrike79 11mo ago
    It still doesn't have an explicit planning mode, which is IMO table stakes. I always need to remember to tell it not to touch the code, just read it or it'll take any question like "could we add library X to this" as "immediately add library X to this"...
  - verdverm 1y ago
    I like the Gemini / Gemma family of models It's more the agentic stuff, and things specific to the gemini-cli, which is behind the alternatives in features and capabilities. It was also making an insane number of requests (>1000 in a day, which is about the same as my Copilot usage for a month), but I'm sure they are doing their accounting differently. Google has tried to do AI accounting differently, but has acquiesced to counting tokens instead of chars, fingers crossed they do here to instead of being a snowflake that takes more effort to align in comparisons I can't stand the cutesiness they've embedded into it either. I don't want that in a work tool My general sense is that ai-clis will lose out to IDE integrations. I'd prefer a single tool and experience over having to context switch. Putting my AI partner in the same tool and env I use is better than having it separate with hacks to make it seem like it can be in there too, only sorta not quite
    - verdverm 1y ago
      I'd add my general impression is that all the good designers that were at Google are gone, looking across their portfolio Take even the Gemini Web App... what set Google apart in the early days? Search was just an input box, no clutter or calls to action. They have recently decided to break from this (they did have it clean beforehand) and try to get me to use image generation and other calls to action. Please get rid of the slop before I can even make my own slop! and don't egg me on about Google Cloud... it's speed now feels like Jira, which to many people's surprise has changed course and is quite fast now

Cool, but at the same time, it feels overwhelming: so many different CLI or IDE tools, so many extension points. It will be fascinating to see how this all shakes out.

verdverm 1y ago

not in gemini-cli's flavor, it's one of the worst tools I've used

derekcheng08 1y ago
Is it model quality or the CLI itself?
- theshrike79 11mo ago
  It still doesn't have an explicit planning mode, which is IMO table stakes. I always need to remember to tell it not to touch the code, just read it or it'll take any question like "could we add library X to this" as "immediately add library X to this"...
- verdverm 1y ago
  I like the Gemini / Gemma family of models It's more the agentic stuff, and things specific to the gemini-cli, which is behind the alternatives in features and capabilities. It was also making an insane number of requests (>1000 in a day, which is about the same as my Copilot usage for a month), but I'm sure they are doing their accounting differently. Google has tried to do AI accounting differently, but has acquiesced to counting tokens instead of chars, fingers crossed they do here to instead of being a snowflake that takes more effort to align in comparisons I can't stand the cutesiness they've embedded into it either. I don't want that in a work tool My general sense is that ai-clis will lose out to IDE integrations. I'd prefer a single tool and experience over having to context switch. Putting my AI partner in the same tool and env I use is better than having it separate with hacks to make it seem like it can be in there too, only sorta not quite
  - verdverm 1y ago
    I'd add my general impression is that all the good designers that were at Google are gone, looking across their portfolio Take even the Gemini Web App... what set Google apart in the early days? Search was just an input box, no clutter or calls to action. They have recently decided to break from this (they did have it clean beforehand) and try to get me to use image generation and other calls to action. Please get rid of the slop before I can even make my own slop! and don't egg me on about Google Cloud... it's speed now feels like Jira, which to many people's surprise has changed course and is quite fast now