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If you think iOS 6 maps are in any single way an improvement over Google Maps, or anything other than a power play in general, you're pretty damn likely to be m

by adgar 14y ago

If you think iOS 6 maps are in any single way an improvement over Google Maps, or anything other than a power play in general, you're pretty damn likely to be making a worthless fanboy comment.

eridius 14y ago
I think anyone who calls someone else a "fanboy" is not worth listening to.
- adgar 14y ago
  So the word "fanboy" is not an accurate term to describe anyone or the level of discourse about a subject? You think that everybody on this website is engaging in rational, high-minded discourse? It's easy to assume every mind is a willing convert. It takes a realist to understand that many minds are already made up based on bullshit and bad logic and you will never change those minds. You're just as closed-minded as the "fanboys" I decry. Don't take the easy way out.
  - eridius 14y ago
    "fanboy" is a cop-out term that means that you aren't willing to accept that someone else has a different experience and opinions than yourself. By using the term "fanboy" you are very clearly signaling that you are discounting anything and everything the "fanboy" says. This is the textbook definition of close-minded. Far more often, the person slinging the word "fanboy" is the person who refuses to accept new ideas, to accept that other people's differing opinions may be just as valid as their own. This is what close-minded is. And quite often, the person who is tarred with the word "fanboy" is in fact quite rational and has good reasons for their opinions, and may very well be open to differing opinions. But you'll never find out because you immediately labelled them as a "fanboy" and shut down the discussion. And thus, the simple rule. Anyone who uses the word "fanboy" is not worth listening to.
    - adgar 14y ago
      > Far more often, the person slinging the word "fanboy" is the person who refuses to accept new ideas, to accept that other people's differing opinions may be just as valid as their own. Go read an Apple enthusiast forum. Or an Android enthusiast forum. You want to pretend fanboys don't exist, go ahead. But there are people who have no interest in evaluating how they have formed their own opinions and will spout anything they are told is the "party line." These people exist in politics, they exist in technology, and they are the ones who need to be filtered out, because they add zero value to discussions. Call them "fanboy," call them a "party hack," but suck it up and admit that THEY EXIST and giving them any time is a detriment to people who actually think.
parasubvert 14y ago
Obvious troll is obvious, but I'll bite. Here's a single way that iOS 6 maps are better: 3D flyover. It's fantastic for trying to navigate around a city while travelling, which I used today. I like it better than Street View - though Street View is better when you're on foot and need to find the entrance to a specific street address. So, overall iOS 6 maps aren't as good as Google Maps, completely agree, this is a debacle. But there's one feature I like.
- adgar 14y ago
  I wasn't trolling. 3d flyover? One quick query for [google maps 3d] gives this as the top result: http://www.google.com/mobile/maps/3d/ http://www.google.com/mobile/maps/3d/ And yes, there's textures available for those maps too, assuming those were what helped you so much in your navigation and not the 3d models. Of course, Google has 3d models all around the world, including the small college towns Apple has completely failed at, since Google has been encouraging contributions to their maps data for years now. Why not pull up Google Earth and trivially take a spin around your favorite city in the world right now? Also, I genuinely don't believe this: > It's fantastic for trying to navigate around a city while travelling, which I used today. Oh, I'm sure you used it today. Definitely believe that. But I genuinely don't believe that a 3d, angled view of a city gave you a better navigational experience than a traditional accurate map and directions. Which you definitely didn't have if you were using Apple maps. It's probably nice to be able to get a view of the major, tall landmarks in a city and orient yourself around that. An overall pretty user experience for orientation. But navigation? You used the relative height of 3d buildings to navigate around a large city instead of GPS and a map with correct POI data, streets, directions, and transit information and found using the pictures and heights of buildings superior? I think you're lying. Either to us, or to yourself. Or both, I guess. Yeah, definitely both.

by adgar 14y ago

If you think iOS 6 maps are in any single way an improvement over Google Maps, or anything other than a power play in general, you're pretty damn likely to be making a worthless fanboy comment.

eridius 14y ago

I think anyone who calls someone else a "fanboy" is not worth listening to.

adgar 14y ago
So the word "fanboy" is not an accurate term to describe anyone or the level of discourse about a subject? You think that everybody on this website is engaging in rational, high-minded discourse? It's easy to assume every mind is a willing convert. It takes a realist to understand that many minds are already made up based on bullshit and bad logic and you will never change those minds. You're just as closed-minded as the "fanboys" I decry. Don't take the easy way out.
- eridius 14y ago
  "fanboy" is a cop-out term that means that you aren't willing to accept that someone else has a different experience and opinions than yourself. By using the term "fanboy" you are very clearly signaling that you are discounting anything and everything the "fanboy" says. This is the textbook definition of close-minded. Far more often, the person slinging the word "fanboy" is the person who refuses to accept new ideas, to accept that other people's differing opinions may be just as valid as their own. This is what close-minded is. And quite often, the person who is tarred with the word "fanboy" is in fact quite rational and has good reasons for their opinions, and may very well be open to differing opinions. But you'll never find out because you immediately labelled them as a "fanboy" and shut down the discussion. And thus, the simple rule. Anyone who uses the word "fanboy" is not worth listening to.
  - adgar 14y ago
    > Far more often, the person slinging the word "fanboy" is the person who refuses to accept new ideas, to accept that other people's differing opinions may be just as valid as their own. Go read an Apple enthusiast forum. Or an Android enthusiast forum. You want to pretend fanboys don't exist, go ahead. But there are people who have no interest in evaluating how they have formed their own opinions and will spout anything they are told is the "party line." These people exist in politics, they exist in technology, and they are the ones who need to be filtered out, because they add zero value to discussions. Call them "fanboy," call them a "party hack," but suck it up and admit that THEY EXIST and giving them any time is a detriment to people who actually think.

parasubvert 14y ago

Obvious troll is obvious, but I'll bite. Here's a single way that iOS 6 maps are better: 3D flyover. It's fantastic for trying to navigate around a city while travelling, which I used today. I like it better than Street View - though Street View is better when you're on foot and need to find the entrance to a specific street address. So, overall iOS 6 maps aren't as good as Google Maps, completely agree, this is a debacle. But there's one feature I like.

adgar 14y ago
I wasn't trolling. 3d flyover? One quick query for [google maps 3d] gives this as the top result: http://www.google.com/mobile/maps/3d/ http://www.google.com/mobile/maps/3d/ And yes, there's textures available for those maps too, assuming those were what helped you so much in your navigation and not the 3d models. Of course, Google has 3d models all around the world, including the small college towns Apple has completely failed at, since Google has been encouraging contributions to their maps data for years now. Why not pull up Google Earth and trivially take a spin around your favorite city in the world right now? Also, I genuinely don't believe this: > It's fantastic for trying to navigate around a city while travelling, which I used today. Oh, I'm sure you used it today. Definitely believe that. But I genuinely don't believe that a 3d, angled view of a city gave you a better navigational experience than a traditional accurate map and directions. Which you definitely didn't have if you were using Apple maps. It's probably nice to be able to get a view of the major, tall landmarks in a city and orient yourself around that. An overall pretty user experience for orientation. But navigation? You used the relative height of 3d buildings to navigate around a large city instead of GPS and a map with correct POI data, streets, directions, and transit information and found using the pictures and heights of buildings superior? I think you're lying. Either to us, or to yourself. Or both, I guess. Yeah, definitely both.