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The 14th amendment: "prohibits states from denying any person "life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"" The US constitution applies to all pers

by seadan83 11mo ago

The 14th amendment: "prohibits states from denying any person "life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"" The US constitution applies to all persons (people) inside of the USA regardless of citizenship. The amendment says PERSON, not CITIZEN. Therefore it should not matter at all how that person got here, they are due the same rights and process as __anyone__ else on American soil. That is the 14th amendment of the constitution, further backed by multiple ultra-important and historical supreme court precedents that rights apply to ALL 'people' and not just 'citizens'.

dragonwriter 11mo ago
> The 14th amendment: "prohibits states from denying any person "life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"" More relevant to ICE, is the 5th Amendment, which prohibits the federal government from doing that.
15155 11mo ago
Being deported isn't legally deprivation of "life, liberty, or property." Deportation is not a punishment and is entirely avoidable in 99% of cases: don't overstay or enter illegally.
- actionfromafar 11mo ago
  How about children being ziptied in their homes and roughed up in the middle of the night? Oops a citizen, don’t look so brown next time. Catch and release.
- code_runner 11mo ago
  I always forget websters definition of punishment is “violent masked unidentified government sanctioned gangs roaming the streets and violently apprehending people” That’s such a great point. Deportation is supposed to be incredibly violent because it’s a punishment. I’m jotting that one down since it’s certainly not written in any laws. I don’t wanna forget.
- toast0 11mo ago
  How is it not deprivation of liberty to be forcibly removed from where you are and not allowed to return?
  - 15155 11mo ago
    Because you didn't have the legal right to remain there in the first place?
    - cosmicgadget 11mo ago
      You're confusing natural rights and civil rights. And backpedaling from "they're not being deprived of these rights" to "they deserve it". They may deserve it but you don't know that without- (please finish the sentence)

dragonwriter 11mo ago

> The 14th amendment: "prohibits states from denying any person "life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"" More relevant to ICE, is the 5th Amendment, which prohibits the federal government from doing that.

15155 11mo ago

Being deported isn't legally deprivation of "life, liberty, or property." Deportation is not a punishment and is entirely avoidable in 99% of cases: don't overstay or enter illegally.

actionfromafar 11mo ago
How about children being ziptied in their homes and roughed up in the middle of the night? Oops a citizen, don’t look so brown next time. Catch and release.
code_runner 11mo ago
I always forget websters definition of punishment is “violent masked unidentified government sanctioned gangs roaming the streets and violently apprehending people” That’s such a great point. Deportation is supposed to be incredibly violent because it’s a punishment. I’m jotting that one down since it’s certainly not written in any laws. I don’t wanna forget.
toast0 11mo ago
How is it not deprivation of liberty to be forcibly removed from where you are and not allowed to return?
- 15155 11mo ago
  Because you didn't have the legal right to remain there in the first place?
  - cosmicgadget 11mo ago
    You're confusing natural rights and civil rights. And backpedaling from "they're not being deprived of these rights" to "they deserve it". They may deserve it but you don't know that without- (please finish the sentence)