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Creating a product for creeps is so on brand for a company founded by a creep.

by pickledoyster 1y ago

kotaKat 1y ago
It's only a matter of time before someone gets "OK Glass(ed)" after saying "Hey Meta" out loud in a crowd.
usrnm 1y ago
The Internet was the best thing that ever happened to the so called "creeps", should we get rid of it as well?
- emocin 1y ago
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- graemep 1y ago
  Really? Email, IRC, old fashioned informational websites, usenet, FTP, ssh etc. are for creeps? It was taken over and perverted by creeps.
  - Dilettante_ 1y ago
    "No true scotsman"[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
    - jodrellblank 1y ago
      Where is the Scotsman in “really, email is for creeps?”
    - Eisenstein 1y ago
      Since it takes a whole lot of effort to defend oneself against an accusation I think people should spend at least a little bit of effort when making one. If you can't explain why you are invoking No true Scotsman and how it applies, then I don't think you should be accusing the parent of it.
      - Dilettante_ 1y ago
        That's fair, it just jumped out so strongly to me that I didn't think to explain. The implicit "no true scotsman" statement was "The people who 'took over and perverted' all these technologies were the creeps, None of the people who were there before this 'takeover' were considered creeps by anyone no sir, all upstanding Scotsmen each and every one of them. (And if there was a creep, he was obviously part of the 'takeover')."
        graemep 1y ago
        I can see you might read it that way, but, to clarify, I am arguing that it was not'"the best thing that ever happened to the so called "creeps"' at that point, rather than "there were no creeps". TO put it another way its postive impact was greater relative to the negative.
- rsolva 1y ago
  The early internet was created and inhabited by nerds, which praticed playful creativity on interdependent networks and open protocols. Cooperation and collaboration was at the core. Then the creeps arrived, drunk on sudden power and the promise of quick cash, and started capturing and consolidating online activity into 'platforms', or walled gardens if you will. These where void of the creative expression of the free and open web and streamlined every interaction into a very narrow and neatly defined world. These creeps started abusing their power early on to snoop on peoples activity, pictures and conversations — which would be viewed as totally unacceptable behavior in the offline world — and went on to build the worlds most sinister and cynical manipulation machine. Creeps are antithetical to the spirit of the early internet and the open web and they are actively working agains the ethos of open protocols and playful creativity!
  - krapp 1y ago
    The creeps arrived long before SV, startup culture, walled gardens and "quick cash." Internet (at least web) culture was born in the cesspools of SA and 4chan, rotten.com and the like. I appreciate the effort to reform "nerds" into quirky elfin innocents but even USENET was full of creeps.
    - rsolva 1y ago
      You are right, but I had the creeps that sought power in mind. Internet was for sure inhabited by countless other kinds of creeps of various flavours, but none of them had such a negative impact on human civilization as a whole as the power hungry creeps. They effectively captured and curtailed the promises of the early, distributed web. Maybe it was destined to develop the way it did, given the permissionless nature of the web, and that the ideal of an open and distributed web would be choked out at some point anyway, as a natural consequence of collective human behaviour. And maybe, if the web could have had a few more years without the power hungry forces we now know, we would have developed a stronger immunity against such behaviour? We will never know, I guess. Non the less, I'll forever hold a deep grudge towards the power hungry creeps for the catastrophic effects they unleashed on the world and for ruining the potential of a truly open, diverse and vibrant web. In a generation or two, I do think we will look back at the founders of Big Tech companies as creeps that harmed the world in unthinkable ways, just as we do with brutal powerful people in earlier history. They shaped the world in countless ways, and the negatives are just now beginning to gain space in the collective consciousness.
- touwer 1y ago
  Whattabouttttt
- gdulli 1y ago
  Maybe?
- more_corn 1y ago
  Yes please
juttern 1y ago
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Ianixx56 1y ago
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4bpp 1y ago
Shouldn't Google (Glass) get the credit for the idea? The way Facebook gets singled out for "creepiness" in a world full of bad actors is pretty ridiculous, and actually makes it easier for the others to keep flying under the radar.
- bitlax 1y ago
  Google is also creepy.
  - 4bpp 1y ago
    And yet, nobody feels that so viscerally that they feel compelled to write these schoolyard-level insults directed at its leadership every time it comes up in a HN thread.
    - bla3 1y ago
      There was a ton of backlash when Glass launched. Search for "glassholes" to find articles on that topic from back then.
      - 4bpp 1y ago
        I remember that quite well. However, the backlash was very specific; as far as I remember it was never directed at the company as a whole, let alone the person of, say, Eric Schmidt.
        Yossarrian22 1y ago
        Because Meta was and is whatever Zuckerberg wants it to be, due to his control of the majority of voting shares. It’s a direct reflection of his soul
        more_corn 1y ago
        Eric Schmidt didn’t present as a creepy weirdo. He also didn’t make the company a reflection of himself. That kept the glasshole backlash compartmentalized. Strange things happen when a leader merges the company brand and with his personal brand. It can strengthen the company brand (in the case of a plucky can-do technologist) but the company brand starts to get colored by the personality of the person (in the case of a person who goes off the deep end and starts saying weird and inflammatory stuff).

Creating a product for creeps is so on brand for a company founded by a creep.

kotaKat 1y ago

It's only a matter of time before someone gets "OK Glass(ed)" after saying "Hey Meta" out loud in a crowd.

usrnm 1y ago

The Internet was the best thing that ever happened to the so called "creeps", should we get rid of it as well?

emocin 1y ago
[dead]
graemep 1y ago
Really? Email, IRC, old fashioned informational websites, usenet, FTP, ssh etc. are for creeps? It was taken over and perverted by creeps.
- Dilettante_ 1y ago
  "No true scotsman"[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
  - jodrellblank 1y ago
    Where is the Scotsman in “really, email is for creeps?”
  - Eisenstein 1y ago
    Since it takes a whole lot of effort to defend oneself against an accusation I think people should spend at least a little bit of effort when making one. If you can't explain why you are invoking No true Scotsman and how it applies, then I don't think you should be accusing the parent of it.
    - Dilettante_ 1y ago
      That's fair, it just jumped out so strongly to me that I didn't think to explain. The implicit "no true scotsman" statement was "The people who 'took over and perverted' all these technologies were the creeps, None of the people who were there before this 'takeover' were considered creeps by anyone no sir, all upstanding Scotsmen each and every one of them. (And if there was a creep, he was obviously part of the 'takeover')."
      - graemep 1y ago
        I can see you might read it that way, but, to clarify, I am arguing that it was not'"the best thing that ever happened to the so called "creeps"' at that point, rather than "there were no creeps". TO put it another way its postive impact was greater relative to the negative.
rsolva 1y ago
The early internet was created and inhabited by nerds, which praticed playful creativity on interdependent networks and open protocols. Cooperation and collaboration was at the core. Then the creeps arrived, drunk on sudden power and the promise of quick cash, and started capturing and consolidating online activity into 'platforms', or walled gardens if you will. These where void of the creative expression of the free and open web and streamlined every interaction into a very narrow and neatly defined world. These creeps started abusing their power early on to snoop on peoples activity, pictures and conversations — which would be viewed as totally unacceptable behavior in the offline world — and went on to build the worlds most sinister and cynical manipulation machine. Creeps are antithetical to the spirit of the early internet and the open web and they are actively working agains the ethos of open protocols and playful creativity!
- krapp 1y ago
  The creeps arrived long before SV, startup culture, walled gardens and "quick cash." Internet (at least web) culture was born in the cesspools of SA and 4chan, rotten.com and the like. I appreciate the effort to reform "nerds" into quirky elfin innocents but even USENET was full of creeps.
  - rsolva 1y ago
    You are right, but I had the creeps that sought power in mind. Internet was for sure inhabited by countless other kinds of creeps of various flavours, but none of them had such a negative impact on human civilization as a whole as the power hungry creeps. They effectively captured and curtailed the promises of the early, distributed web. Maybe it was destined to develop the way it did, given the permissionless nature of the web, and that the ideal of an open and distributed web would be choked out at some point anyway, as a natural consequence of collective human behaviour. And maybe, if the web could have had a few more years without the power hungry forces we now know, we would have developed a stronger immunity against such behaviour? We will never know, I guess. Non the less, I'll forever hold a deep grudge towards the power hungry creeps for the catastrophic effects they unleashed on the world and for ruining the potential of a truly open, diverse and vibrant web. In a generation or two, I do think we will look back at the founders of Big Tech companies as creeps that harmed the world in unthinkable ways, just as we do with brutal powerful people in earlier history. They shaped the world in countless ways, and the negatives are just now beginning to gain space in the collective consciousness.
touwer 1y ago
Whattabouttttt
gdulli 1y ago
Maybe?
more_corn 1y ago
Yes please

juttern 1y ago

[dead]

Ianixx56 1y ago

[dead]

4bpp 1y ago

Shouldn't Google (Glass) get the credit for the idea? The way Facebook gets singled out for "creepiness" in a world full of bad actors is pretty ridiculous, and actually makes it easier for the others to keep flying under the radar.

bitlax 1y ago
Google is also creepy.
- 4bpp 1y ago
  And yet, nobody feels that so viscerally that they feel compelled to write these schoolyard-level insults directed at its leadership every time it comes up in a HN thread.
  - bla3 1y ago
    There was a ton of backlash when Glass launched. Search for "glassholes" to find articles on that topic from back then.
    - 4bpp 1y ago
      I remember that quite well. However, the backlash was very specific; as far as I remember it was never directed at the company as a whole, let alone the person of, say, Eric Schmidt.
      - Yossarrian22 1y ago
        Because Meta was and is whatever Zuckerberg wants it to be, due to his control of the majority of voting shares. It’s a direct reflection of his soul
      - more_corn 1y ago
        Eric Schmidt didn’t present as a creepy weirdo. He also didn’t make the company a reflection of himself. That kept the glasshole backlash compartmentalized. Strange things happen when a leader merges the company brand and with his personal brand. It can strengthen the company brand (in the case of a plucky can-do technologist) but the company brand starts to get colored by the personality of the person (in the case of a person who goes off the deep end and starts saying weird and inflammatory stuff).