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> Tesonet initially assisted Proton with HR, payroll, and local regulation Entirely normal behaviour for a competitor to provide “HR assistance”.

InsideOutSanta 1y ago
I've been part of a European startup that added offices in Asia and the US, and we initially always partnered with local companies to do this. It's mutually beneficial. It allowed us to grow more quickly, and it allowed them to make relatively easy money (and, in our case, to dump some of their shittier employees on us without us knowing). In Proton's case, they already knew each other because Tesonet had previously offered to provide infrastructure during a DDoS attack against Proton. So maybe it's a conspiracy, or maybe it's just how things go. You can make up your own mind, but you should provide the facts when you make sinister insinuations.
- danw1979 1y ago
  You know an awful lot of detail about the inner workings of two separate private companies though.
  - InsideOutSanta 1y ago
    LOL, now I'm part of the conspiracy. This is all public knowledge.
    - dsr_ 1y ago
      Then you could provide sources, please?
      - InsideOutSanta 1y ago
        Here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn_and_tesonet/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn... Here's the Handelsregisterauszug for Proton, which shows ownership: https://www.zefix.admin.ch/en/search/entity/list/firm/1189263 https://www.zefix.admin.ch/en/search/entity/list/firm/118926... Proton's peering relationships: https://bgp.tools/as/62371#asinfo https://bgp.tools/as/62371#asinfo I'm not sure what exactly you're looking for.
        steve1977 1y ago
        > Here's the Handelsregisterauszug for Proton, which shows ownership It doesn‘t. It’s a joint-stock corporation and while the shareholders are registered, the register is not public.
        InsideOutSanta 1y ago
        Proton discloses shareholder information here: https://proton.me/support/who-owns-protonmail https://proton.me/support/who-owns-protonmail But I guess they could be lying.
        ddtaylor 1y ago
        Them providing information isn't the same as publicly verifiable information.
  - squigz 1y ago
    Is it really that shocking that someone on HN would have worked at as many as 2 private companies?
    - IAmBroom 1y ago
      Nor is it shocking that a company with a PR issue would be astroturfing our forum. The point is: we don't know.
      - vonbullshit 11mo ago
        The summary is: if you use someone’s VPN, Tor, etc. you’re just setting yourself up. There is no privacy, and if you act like you want privacy, they’re going to pay more attention to you.
        rich66man 11mo ago
        That's what they want you to think.
      - InsideOutSanta 11mo ago
        I would assume that if they were astroturfing, they would be smart enough to use more than one account. Given that, I'm inclined to believe that you are part of an astroturfing campaign.

InsideOutSanta 1y ago

I've been part of a European startup that added offices in Asia and the US, and we initially always partnered with local companies to do this. It's mutually beneficial. It allowed us to grow more quickly, and it allowed them to make relatively easy money (and, in our case, to dump some of their shittier employees on us without us knowing). In Proton's case, they already knew each other because Tesonet had previously offered to provide infrastructure during a DDoS attack against Proton. So maybe it's a conspiracy, or maybe it's just how things go. You can make up your own mind, but you should provide the facts when you make sinister insinuations.

danw1979 1y ago
You know an awful lot of detail about the inner workings of two separate private companies though.
- InsideOutSanta 1y ago
  LOL, now I'm part of the conspiracy. This is all public knowledge.
  - dsr_ 1y ago
    Then you could provide sources, please?
    - InsideOutSanta 1y ago
      Here you go: https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn_and_tesonet/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonVPN/comments/8ww4h2/protonvpn... Here's the Handelsregisterauszug for Proton, which shows ownership: https://www.zefix.admin.ch/en/search/entity/list/firm/1189263 https://www.zefix.admin.ch/en/search/entity/list/firm/118926... Proton's peering relationships: https://bgp.tools/as/62371#asinfo https://bgp.tools/as/62371#asinfo I'm not sure what exactly you're looking for.
      - steve1977 1y ago
        > Here's the Handelsregisterauszug for Proton, which shows ownership It doesn‘t. It’s a joint-stock corporation and while the shareholders are registered, the register is not public.
        InsideOutSanta 1y ago
        Proton discloses shareholder information here: https://proton.me/support/who-owns-protonmail https://proton.me/support/who-owns-protonmail But I guess they could be lying.
        ddtaylor 1y ago
        Them providing information isn't the same as publicly verifiable information.
- squigz 1y ago
  Is it really that shocking that someone on HN would have worked at as many as 2 private companies?
  - IAmBroom 1y ago
    Nor is it shocking that a company with a PR issue would be astroturfing our forum. The point is: we don't know.
    - vonbullshit 11mo ago
      The summary is: if you use someone’s VPN, Tor, etc. you’re just setting yourself up. There is no privacy, and if you act like you want privacy, they’re going to pay more attention to you.
      - rich66man 11mo ago
        That's what they want you to think.
    - InsideOutSanta 11mo ago
      I would assume that if they were astroturfing, they would be smart enough to use more than one account. Given that, I'm inclined to believe that you are part of an astroturfing campaign.