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I wonder how hard the last 10% will be? If its a typical software project its going to be 90% more effort for the last 10%.

by X0nic 1y ago

al_borland 1y ago
And the last 1% will be constantly changing, and never really “done” as a result. 90% is Apple’s standard. I wonder what the general public requires.
- ndriscoll 1y ago
  The general public probably just needs basic HTML/CSS/JS support along with gzip, zstd, and common image and video formats. Stuff like beacons, accelerometers, bluetooth, device memory, webusb, battery status, etc. (so basically all of the "platform" part of the "web platform") are either extremely niche or actively harmful.
  - al_borland 1y ago
    It really depends on what the big sites they use decide to use. I can see Google using more niche web features just to push people to Chrome. Do I need accelerometer support to watch a full screen video in landscape on YouTube? That’s probably a big deal for anyone who doesn’t use the app, for example.
    - majewsky 1y ago
      Why does this need accelerometer support at all? The OS has that data and can instruct the app to change aspect ratio. Then all the website needs to do is to body.addEventHandler("resize", onresize).
nicce 1y ago
Browsers have been historically the biggest and most difficult projects, so hard to say why it wouldn’t be. When they can start promising 20k bounties for segfaults, they are getting close.
- 9cb14c1ec0 1y ago
  They are pretty far way from that. I still think it is one of the most exciting open source projects in recent years.
  - jve 1y ago
    As someone who has first encounter with the ladybird - why is it exciting? And how could ladybird attract so many sponsors for such a project? Why wouldn't they fund Firefox instead if they want to achieve some diversity in browser engine field? I'm curious, not skeptical.
    - 9cb14c1ec0 1y ago
      It's hard to fund Firefox when Mozilla spends as much money as they do on other things than Firefox.
- tredre3 1y ago
  > Browsers have been historically the biggest and most difficult projects That's just a tired thrope that keeps being repeated by people who don't know any better.
  - viraptor 1y ago
    Given how few generally usable browsers (3 with different skins) there are and how huge they are with basically required company backing for many employees... How is that a trope?
    - mrbn100ful 1y ago
      Ladybird is doing it with 8 devs, and it's working! I tried it on my m4, it's surprisedly usable.

I wonder how hard the last 10% will be? If its a typical software project its going to be 90% more effort for the last 10%.

by X0nic 1y ago

I wonder how hard the last 10% will be? If its a typical software project its going to be 90% more effort for the last 10%.

al_borland 1y ago

And the last 1% will be constantly changing, and never really “done” as a result. 90% is Apple’s standard. I wonder what the general public requires.

ndriscoll 1y ago
The general public probably just needs basic HTML/CSS/JS support along with gzip, zstd, and common image and video formats. Stuff like beacons, accelerometers, bluetooth, device memory, webusb, battery status, etc. (so basically all of the "platform" part of the "web platform") are either extremely niche or actively harmful.
- al_borland 1y ago
  It really depends on what the big sites they use decide to use. I can see Google using more niche web features just to push people to Chrome. Do I need accelerometer support to watch a full screen video in landscape on YouTube? That’s probably a big deal for anyone who doesn’t use the app, for example.
  - majewsky 1y ago
    Why does this need accelerometer support at all? The OS has that data and can instruct the app to change aspect ratio. Then all the website needs to do is to body.addEventHandler("resize", onresize).

nicce 1y ago

Browsers have been historically the biggest and most difficult projects, so hard to say why it wouldn’t be. When they can start promising 20k bounties for segfaults, they are getting close.

9cb14c1ec0 1y ago
They are pretty far way from that. I still think it is one of the most exciting open source projects in recent years.
- jve 1y ago
  As someone who has first encounter with the ladybird - why is it exciting? And how could ladybird attract so many sponsors for such a project? Why wouldn't they fund Firefox instead if they want to achieve some diversity in browser engine field? I'm curious, not skeptical.
  - 9cb14c1ec0 1y ago
    It's hard to fund Firefox when Mozilla spends as much money as they do on other things than Firefox.
tredre3 1y ago
> Browsers have been historically the biggest and most difficult projects That's just a tired thrope that keeps being repeated by people who don't know any better.
- viraptor 1y ago
  Given how few generally usable browsers (3 with different skins) there are and how huge they are with basically required company backing for many employees... How is that a trope?
  - mrbn100ful 1y ago
    Ladybird is doing it with 8 devs, and it's working! I tried it on my m4, it's surprisedly usable.