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Sure, but which government body - city, county, state, federal? I don’t particularly like my HOA, but I could live elsewhere and at least feel like I have more

Sure, but which government body - city, county, state, federal? I don’t particularly like my HOA, but I could live elsewhere and at least feel like I have more say in my HOA than any of those other bodies.

Yizahi 1y ago
City of course. Over here, across the pond, cities make local noise regulation and have a local city municipal police (not state police) which is responsible for a minor complaints and general oversight. Of course the only reason why it works is that it's a city, so fewer officers can cover a lot more people-per-area than in the widespread suburbs. Same story like with mass transit, neither is economical in the suburbs, they are too expensive compared to cities.
- gullywhumper 1y ago
  But why obviously? Is city really the best level? Seems to me much easier for people to move between neighborhoods than between cities. When I was younger, I had no problem with loud neighbors in a louder neighborhood - older now with kids and very happy to pay for quiet despite other trade offs.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > why obviously? In the U.S., ordinances tend to be local. If you have a problem with a noise ordinance, you go to your local authorities.
    - s1artibartfast 1y ago
      There's still the question of how much power the group should have over the individual.
    - gullywhumper 1y ago
      I live in a city where people are shot and killed every week (no exaggeration) and car jackings weren't even tracked until the last couple years. The city government can't manage things that are getting people killed or brutally beaten, so where should late-night noise rank on their priorities? I can still hear the gunshots when I'm going to bed, but in my HOA at least I don't have to worry about my immediate neighbors causing too much trouble. There's at least some level of local accountability, despite the tradeoffs.
      - behringer 1y ago
        I think they would manage just fine if you and everyone else gave them their monthly HOA fees.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > where should late-night noise rank on their priorities? Below those things. Still doesn’t make it a state or federal legal issue, unless it becomes systemic to the point that it’s affecting folks outside your community.

Yizahi 1y ago

City of course. Over here, across the pond, cities make local noise regulation and have a local city municipal police (not state police) which is responsible for a minor complaints and general oversight. Of course the only reason why it works is that it's a city, so fewer officers can cover a lot more people-per-area than in the widespread suburbs. Same story like with mass transit, neither is economical in the suburbs, they are too expensive compared to cities.

gullywhumper 1y ago
But why obviously? Is city really the best level? Seems to me much easier for people to move between neighborhoods than between cities. When I was younger, I had no problem with loud neighbors in a louder neighborhood - older now with kids and very happy to pay for quiet despite other trade offs.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > why obviously? In the U.S., ordinances tend to be local. If you have a problem with a noise ordinance, you go to your local authorities.
  - s1artibartfast 1y ago
    There's still the question of how much power the group should have over the individual.
  - gullywhumper 1y ago
    I live in a city where people are shot and killed every week (no exaggeration) and car jackings weren't even tracked until the last couple years. The city government can't manage things that are getting people killed or brutally beaten, so where should late-night noise rank on their priorities? I can still hear the gunshots when I'm going to bed, but in my HOA at least I don't have to worry about my immediate neighbors causing too much trouble. There's at least some level of local accountability, despite the tradeoffs.
    - behringer 1y ago
      I think they would manage just fine if you and everyone else gave them their monthly HOA fees.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > where should late-night noise rank on their priorities? Below those things. Still doesn’t make it a state or federal legal issue, unless it becomes systemic to the point that it’s affecting folks outside your community.