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ChatGpt has won. I talk to all teens living nearby and they all use chatgpt and not Google. The teens, they don't know what is OpenAI, they don't know what is

ChatGpt has won. I talk to all teens living nearby and they all use chatgpt and not Google. The teens, they don't know what is OpenAI, they don't know what is Gemini. They sure know what is ChatGPT.

asa400 1y ago
I'm not saying you're wrong, but people said the same thing about Yahoo, Excite, Lycos, etc. in 1999. Interesting times, then and now.
- nilsbunger 1y ago
  I think the biggest risk to ChatGPT as a consumer brand is that they don’t own the device surface. Google / Microsoft / Apple could make great AI that’s infused in the OS / browser, eliminating the need to go to ChatGPT.
  - eucyclos 1y ago
    Since microsoft kinda sorta owns or is merging with openai it's probably already close to that... copilot is constantly down for me at least, but I assume that's not a hard thing to fix on Microsoft's end if it wants to start paying the server costs...
MountDoom 1y ago
All of these teens use Google Docs instead of OpenAI Docs, Google Meet instead of OpenAI Meet, Gmail instead of OpenAI Mail, etc. I'm sure that far fewer people to go gemini.google.com than to chatgpt.com, but Google has LLMs seamlessly integrated in each of these products, and it's a part of people's workflows at school and at work. For a while, I was convinced that OpenAI had won and that Google won't be able to recover, but this lack of vertical integration is becoming a liability. It's probably why OpenAI is trying to branch into weird stuff, like running a walled-garden TikTok clone. Also keep in mind that unlike OpenAI, Google isn't under pressure to monetize AI products any time soon. They can keep subsidizing them until OpenAI runs out of other people's money. I'm not saying OpenAI has no path forward, but it's not all that clear-cut.
- andyferris 1y ago
  I think the beneficiary is wrong here. Those teens will grow up to work for organizaitons using Azure AD, Windows, Office and OneDrive/SharePoint/Teams. If any company is going to get the windfall of "AI provider by default" it is going to be Microsoft. Possibly powered by OpenAI models running on Azure. Google could make a "better" (basically - more sublime) advertising platform but little to attract new users. Perhaps Android usage would rise - Apple _is_ behind on AI after all. On the other hand, users will either use the AI integrated into Excel, Word, PowerPoint, Teams, Edge and more, or else users' AI of choice (ChatGPT) will learn to as competently drive the Windows and Web UIs as Claude Code drives bash, giving a productive experience with your desktop (and cloud) apps. Once you use _that_ tool, its now where you start asking questions, not google.com. I am constantly asking ChatGPT and Claude about things I might be purchasing, making comparisons, etc (amongst many other things I might possibly google). Microsoft has an existing interest in advertising, and OpenAI is currently exploring how best go about it. My bet isn't on Google right now.
  - MountDoom 1y ago
    Possibly, but I don't think that Microsoft apps have the kind of a foothold in the corporate world that they used to have. Sure, if you join a bank or a government agency, or a big company that's been around for 40+ years, you're probably gonna be using Microsoft products. But the bulk of startups, schools, and small businesses use Google products nowadays. Judging by their MX record, OpenAI is a Google shop... so is Perplexity... so is Anthropic... so is Mistral.
  - hiatus 1y ago
    > I think the beneficiary is wrong here. Those teens will grow up to work for organizaitons (sic) using Azure AD, Windows, Office and OneDrive/SharePoint/Teams. Idk, younger companies like Anthropic and OpenAI are using google.
    - kelvinjps10 1y ago
      If young people are mostly using google docs, sheets etc companies might adapt to use these, actually I already seen it happen

ChatGpt has won. I talk to all teens living nearby and they all use chatgpt and not Google. The teens, they don't know what is OpenAI, they don't know what is Gemini. They sure know what is ChatGPT.

asa400 1y ago

I'm not saying you're wrong, but people said the same thing about Yahoo, Excite, Lycos, etc. in 1999. Interesting times, then and now.

nilsbunger 1y ago
I think the biggest risk to ChatGPT as a consumer brand is that they don’t own the device surface. Google / Microsoft / Apple could make great AI that’s infused in the OS / browser, eliminating the need to go to ChatGPT.
- eucyclos 1y ago
  Since microsoft kinda sorta owns or is merging with openai it's probably already close to that... copilot is constantly down for me at least, but I assume that's not a hard thing to fix on Microsoft's end if it wants to start paying the server costs...

MountDoom 1y ago

All of these teens use Google Docs instead of OpenAI Docs, Google Meet instead of OpenAI Meet, Gmail instead of OpenAI Mail, etc. I'm sure that far fewer people to go gemini.google.com than to chatgpt.com, but Google has LLMs seamlessly integrated in each of these products, and it's a part of people's workflows at school and at work. For a while, I was convinced that OpenAI had won and that Google won't be able to recover, but this lack of vertical integration is becoming a liability. It's probably why OpenAI is trying to branch into weird stuff, like running a walled-garden TikTok clone. Also keep in mind that unlike OpenAI, Google isn't under pressure to monetize AI products any time soon. They can keep subsidizing them until OpenAI runs out of other people's money. I'm not saying OpenAI has no path forward, but it's not all that clear-cut.

andyferris 1y ago
I think the beneficiary is wrong here. Those teens will grow up to work for organizaitons using Azure AD, Windows, Office and OneDrive/SharePoint/Teams. If any company is going to get the windfall of "AI provider by default" it is going to be Microsoft. Possibly powered by OpenAI models running on Azure. Google could make a "better" (basically - more sublime) advertising platform but little to attract new users. Perhaps Android usage would rise - Apple _is_ behind on AI after all. On the other hand, users will either use the AI integrated into Excel, Word, PowerPoint, Teams, Edge and more, or else users' AI of choice (ChatGPT) will learn to as competently drive the Windows and Web UIs as Claude Code drives bash, giving a productive experience with your desktop (and cloud) apps. Once you use _that_ tool, its now where you start asking questions, not google.com. I am constantly asking ChatGPT and Claude about things I might be purchasing, making comparisons, etc (amongst many other things I might possibly google). Microsoft has an existing interest in advertising, and OpenAI is currently exploring how best go about it. My bet isn't on Google right now.
- MountDoom 1y ago
  Possibly, but I don't think that Microsoft apps have the kind of a foothold in the corporate world that they used to have. Sure, if you join a bank or a government agency, or a big company that's been around for 40+ years, you're probably gonna be using Microsoft products. But the bulk of startups, schools, and small businesses use Google products nowadays. Judging by their MX record, OpenAI is a Google shop... so is Perplexity... so is Anthropic... so is Mistral.
- hiatus 1y ago
  > I think the beneficiary is wrong here. Those teens will grow up to work for organizaitons (sic) using Azure AD, Windows, Office and OneDrive/SharePoint/Teams. Idk, younger companies like Anthropic and OpenAI are using google.
  - kelvinjps10 1y ago
    If young people are mostly using google docs, sheets etc companies might adapt to use these, actually I already seen it happen