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I noticed it yesterday and I have to say I hate it. The "Peoples" section seems to be entirely gone (it's now intermingled with rooms in the "Home" section). Yo

I noticed it yesterday and I have to say I hate it. The "Peoples" section seems to be entirely gone (it's now intermingled with rooms in the "Home" section). You no longer can see favorite/ normal/ low priority DMs or rooms in proper order at once. E.g. in Spaces I had my one or two favourite rooms at the top in a separate section; now it's somewhere messed up in the middle with the normal priority stuff. You constantly have to fiddle with the space-wasting bubble buttons to find stuff. No idea how that is supposed to improve things really. Why is it always necessary to break user's muscle memory with this types if extreme "improvements"? I'm still trying to find out where to manage my Sessions in the newer Element versions (I have to keep a very old one around to do that).

joecool1029 1y ago
I'll just go and say I hate the design changes in desktop, it's more cluttered without good reason. Feels like they made the text bolder and added a bunch of borders or increased them where they weren't before. You can't collapse the names down as far as you could in the past to save space so when this app runs tiled it's stuck with like a third less functional space than it used to have. I'm probably going to switch back to using nheko which also has the benefit of being much lighter on resources. Nheko I can collapse the name list right down to icons if I want.
Arathorn 1y ago
Honestly, this was the reaction I expected to have when I first started using the new roomlist (which was built by the Element design/product/eng teams, rather than the old one, which was originally written by me). However, in practice, I've rapidly found that I genuinely don't mind the new layout, and actually prefer it. (And I tend to be have a bad attitude to change in general). The reasons are: * It's way faster to switch rooms * You can filter on People by hitting the People filter button rather than having a dedicated section. * I spent my life scrolling around the previous sections, or manually resizing them, etc, whereas the simplicity actually feels a bit refreshing and lighter weight. That said, this is an initial release of the new room list, and there's a bunch of work to be done still: * Need to support collapsing the LeftPanel like we used to be able to. * There's a plan to re-introduce Sections again (so you can see your favourites etc separately to the main contents if you want - and reclaim muscle memory) In terms of where to manage Sessions in Element Web/Desktop - it should always be the 'Sessions' tab in Settings? If your server is using native OIDC (i.e. matrix-authentication-service) then some of the management gets delegated to MAS and links through to account.matrix.org (or wherever your MAS lives). But if you can't see any way to manage Sessions, then it's likely a misconfiguration or a bug; please let us know the details.
- detaro 1y ago
  You'd think Element would have enough "we'll fix it in the future, we promise" problems that you didn't intentionally cause...
detaro 1y ago
Yes, it's pretty terrible. Especially since the filters reset every time you switch spaces, so you need to set them again constantly. And filters only is just worse than dedicated sections where you can actually see multiple at a glance in smaller spaces. This might be the point where I give up on Element (or Matrix entirely), I was willing to excuse some of the jank in exchange for it having all the features in a somewhat reasonable UI, but if they break that what's the point. Messing with it while Element X is still incomplete feels like a very weird choice.

joecool1029 1y ago

I'll just go and say I hate the design changes in desktop, it's more cluttered without good reason. Feels like they made the text bolder and added a bunch of borders or increased them where they weren't before. You can't collapse the names down as far as you could in the past to save space so when this app runs tiled it's stuck with like a third less functional space than it used to have. I'm probably going to switch back to using nheko which also has the benefit of being much lighter on resources. Nheko I can collapse the name list right down to icons if I want.

Arathorn 1y ago

Honestly, this was the reaction I expected to have when I first started using the new roomlist (which was built by the Element design/product/eng teams, rather than the old one, which was originally written by me). However, in practice, I've rapidly found that I genuinely don't mind the new layout, and actually prefer it. (And I tend to be have a bad attitude to change in general). The reasons are: * It's way faster to switch rooms * You can filter on People by hitting the People filter button rather than having a dedicated section. * I spent my life scrolling around the previous sections, or manually resizing them, etc, whereas the simplicity actually feels a bit refreshing and lighter weight. That said, this is an initial release of the new room list, and there's a bunch of work to be done still: * Need to support collapsing the LeftPanel like we used to be able to. * There's a plan to re-introduce Sections again (so you can see your favourites etc separately to the main contents if you want - and reclaim muscle memory) In terms of where to manage Sessions in Element Web/Desktop - it should always be the 'Sessions' tab in Settings? If your server is using native OIDC (i.e. matrix-authentication-service) then some of the management gets delegated to MAS and links through to account.matrix.org (or wherever your MAS lives). But if you can't see any way to manage Sessions, then it's likely a misconfiguration or a bug; please let us know the details.

detaro 1y ago
You'd think Element would have enough "we'll fix it in the future, we promise" problems that you didn't intentionally cause...

detaro 1y ago

Yes, it's pretty terrible. Especially since the filters reset every time you switch spaces, so you need to set them again constantly. And filters only is just worse than dedicated sections where you can actually see multiple at a glance in smaller spaces. This might be the point where I give up on Element (or Matrix entirely), I was willing to excuse some of the jank in exchange for it having all the features in a somewhat reasonable UI, but if they break that what's the point. Messing with it while Element X is still incomplete feels like a very weird choice.