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What do you mean “separate from google”? Golang’s success is directly and exclusively based on google envy back in 2009-2012.

lmm 1y ago
Their point is that Golang has seen adoption and use outside the Google ecosystem, which is perhaps surprising, and something few other "company languages" have managed (e.g. Swift is actually quite a nice language design, but almost no-one uses it unless they're deeply involved with the Apple ecosystem).
- 0x073 1y ago
  Swift started as closed source language exclusive for apple devices. Apple never was developer friendly outside of their ecosystem. If I think about swift I think about ios apps (I know it can be more today, but their marketing for this language wasn't good). So apple never wanted big adoption outside of their devices.
- hnlmorg 1y ago
  Sure, if you forget about C, Java, TypeScript, SQL, and many others. Swift isn’t gaining much adoption because Apple aren’t putting much effort into promoting its use outside of the Apple ecosystem. And why would they when they don’t care about non-Apple stuff
  - lmm 1y ago
    > Sure, if you forget about C, Java, TypeScript, SQL, and many others. C has had multiple implementations from multiple implementors for decades. Java wasn't really tied into Sun's ecosystem, and had an enormous marketing blitz. TypeScript was even less of a Microsoft "company language" - and I think it's interesting that Dart felt a lot more tied into everything Google was doing, but ultimately lost out.
    - hnlmorg 1y ago
      Go isn’t tied to Googles infrastructure any more than any of the other languages.
- lukaslalinsky 1y ago
  Go has two things going for it, it was created by legends, so it gained a lot of interest from the beginning, and it has an excellent and unique runtime, making it really ideal for network services that constantly wait for something, yet still being able to do CPU intensive work. The language itself is just "OK" and that's kind of the point of it.
  - NeutralForest 1y ago
    I think being able to just create cross platform binaries + having good tooling out of the box as well. You can get started with go very easily and sharing programs as binaries just removes a whole lot of issues you'd have in other languages.
zerocrates 1y ago
I think they mean success in terms of Go being used outside Google? Versus hack/hhvm which had a pretty narrow window where it saw some limited outside adoption.

lmm 1y ago

Their point is that Golang has seen adoption and use outside the Google ecosystem, which is perhaps surprising, and something few other "company languages" have managed (e.g. Swift is actually quite a nice language design, but almost no-one uses it unless they're deeply involved with the Apple ecosystem).

0x073 1y ago
Swift started as closed source language exclusive for apple devices. Apple never was developer friendly outside of their ecosystem. If I think about swift I think about ios apps (I know it can be more today, but their marketing for this language wasn't good). So apple never wanted big adoption outside of their devices.
hnlmorg 1y ago
Sure, if you forget about C, Java, TypeScript, SQL, and many others. Swift isn’t gaining much adoption because Apple aren’t putting much effort into promoting its use outside of the Apple ecosystem. And why would they when they don’t care about non-Apple stuff
- lmm 1y ago
  > Sure, if you forget about C, Java, TypeScript, SQL, and many others. C has had multiple implementations from multiple implementors for decades. Java wasn't really tied into Sun's ecosystem, and had an enormous marketing blitz. TypeScript was even less of a Microsoft "company language" - and I think it's interesting that Dart felt a lot more tied into everything Google was doing, but ultimately lost out.
  - hnlmorg 1y ago
    Go isn’t tied to Googles infrastructure any more than any of the other languages.
lukaslalinsky 1y ago
Go has two things going for it, it was created by legends, so it gained a lot of interest from the beginning, and it has an excellent and unique runtime, making it really ideal for network services that constantly wait for something, yet still being able to do CPU intensive work. The language itself is just "OK" and that's kind of the point of it.
- NeutralForest 1y ago
  I think being able to just create cross platform binaries + having good tooling out of the box as well. You can get started with go very easily and sharing programs as binaries just removes a whole lot of issues you'd have in other languages.

zerocrates 1y ago

I think they mean success in terms of Go being used outside Google? Versus hack/hhvm which had a pretty narrow window where it saw some limited outside adoption.