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Meanwhile, over on Kagi: https://cln.sh/LbZ8VBbKzjyzKchNC4hS https://cln.sh/LbZ8VBbKzjyzKchNC4hS

by tsigo 1y ago

freediver 1y ago
Serenity, thanks.
tangotaylor 1y ago
I’m still amazed that Kagi search results are basically on par with Google’s (and without the ads) in all my comparison tests that I’ve done. And Google has orders of magnitude more resources. What has Google been doing all this time?
- chuckadams 1y ago
  > What has Google been doing all this time? Making money hand over fist. Not to say that's necessarily related to quality or morality, it's just been their focus.
- int_19h 1y ago
  It's even more insane than that. Kagi uses Google as its backing search engine. And some others, to be fair, but a lot of those search results are still coming from Google API. Which is to say, Google could easily be as good as Kagi is, if they wanted to. What they have been "doing all this time" is turning their search results into a mess.
seanssel 1y ago
I love Kagi, been using it for over a year now. Sadly I haven’t been able to get anyone else on board, even with gift subs.
- moduspol 1y ago
  I tried for a while but found too much friction getting it all working on my phone (iOS). It wasn’t TOO crazy—I just think Apple didn’t take into account that a search engine might require authentication. Though maybe it’s easier now—I should give it another look.
  - seanssel 1y ago
    Yeah I've never had any issues on iOS, that said I'm mostly using Orion on my phone these days. They have a page here covering iOS browsers: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/setting-default.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/setting-default.h...
  - wiether 1y ago
    I switched to Orion as my main browser on my iPhone I was using Firefox previously So, not only my overall browser experience improved, but Kagi is natively _infused_ in Orion, so that was the easiest setup I had to make If you have settings synced between devices, I'd see how that would be an issue (I'm still 100% on Firefox on my Linux/MacOS/Windows devices)
    - rkomorn 1y ago
      If you don't mind taking the time: as an actual user, what would you say are the top 3 things you, personally, get out of this? I'm a Kagi user, primarily for the non-sponsored search results. The AI stuff in Kagi doesn't pique my interest. Their Orion pitch also doesn't, but I'm interested in an actual user's opinion.
      - wiether 1y ago
        Sure! My top 3 would be: 1. customized and sanitized search results 2. Assistant 3. custom bangs And to develop more: - Not only I don't have ads in my results, but they are customized and sanitized based on my settings, since I can block some websites, put a better ranking on others... or even use lenses if I want to use a very precise scope - With Assistant I have access to (almost) all the most recent and popular models, I can easily switch, even inside a thread, so I don't need to have an account (and a subscription) at OpenAI, Anthropic... They are immediately available in a single web interface (and soon in CLI) - Bangs are not new, but with Kagi I can create my owns, and they are well implemented within the Kagi _universe_, so I even have custom bangs to start a chat with Assistant with specific models (ex: typing "!cl" will start a chat with Assistant using Claude) And overall, what's make everything better is that I only need to setup the Kagi extension, and then all my settings are shared between my devices. My custom Kagi style is automatically shared. My search settings are automatically shared. My Assistant threads are automatically shared. My custom bangs are automatically shared. As soon as I setup the Kagi extension, I have the same great Kagi experience! Regarding Orion, I use it on my iPhone since it provides better performances than Firefox and Kagi works great in it. But on computers I still use Firefox because I have more expectations, I'm not only on MacOS and, to be honest, I haven't found the experience that great; mostly because I'm not a fan of the UI.
uncircle 1y ago
Mine looks slightly similar: my top result is the Wikipedia page for Midjourney. I've pinned all results from wikipedia.org, which is a killer feature and why I'm paying for Kagi, instead of giving away my data for free to Google.

Meanwhile, over on Kagi: https://cln.sh/LbZ8VBbKzjyzKchNC4hS https://cln.sh/LbZ8VBbKzjyzKchNC4hS

by tsigo 1y ago

Meanwhile, over on Kagi: https://cln.sh/LbZ8VBbKzjyzKchNC4hS https://cln.sh/LbZ8VBbKzjyzKchNC4hS

freediver 1y ago

Serenity, thanks.

tangotaylor 1y ago

I’m still amazed that Kagi search results are basically on par with Google’s (and without the ads) in all my comparison tests that I’ve done. And Google has orders of magnitude more resources. What has Google been doing all this time?

chuckadams 1y ago
> What has Google been doing all this time? Making money hand over fist. Not to say that's necessarily related to quality or morality, it's just been their focus.
int_19h 1y ago
It's even more insane than that. Kagi uses Google as its backing search engine. And some others, to be fair, but a lot of those search results are still coming from Google API. Which is to say, Google could easily be as good as Kagi is, if they wanted to. What they have been "doing all this time" is turning their search results into a mess.

seanssel 1y ago

I love Kagi, been using it for over a year now. Sadly I haven’t been able to get anyone else on board, even with gift subs.

moduspol 1y ago
I tried for a while but found too much friction getting it all working on my phone (iOS). It wasn’t TOO crazy—I just think Apple didn’t take into account that a search engine might require authentication. Though maybe it’s easier now—I should give it another look.
- seanssel 1y ago
  Yeah I've never had any issues on iOS, that said I'm mostly using Orion on my phone these days. They have a page here covering iOS browsers: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/setting-default.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/getting-started/setting-default.h...
- wiether 1y ago
  I switched to Orion as my main browser on my iPhone I was using Firefox previously So, not only my overall browser experience improved, but Kagi is natively _infused_ in Orion, so that was the easiest setup I had to make If you have settings synced between devices, I'd see how that would be an issue (I'm still 100% on Firefox on my Linux/MacOS/Windows devices)
  - rkomorn 1y ago
    If you don't mind taking the time: as an actual user, what would you say are the top 3 things you, personally, get out of this? I'm a Kagi user, primarily for the non-sponsored search results. The AI stuff in Kagi doesn't pique my interest. Their Orion pitch also doesn't, but I'm interested in an actual user's opinion.
    - wiether 1y ago
      Sure! My top 3 would be: 1. customized and sanitized search results 2. Assistant 3. custom bangs And to develop more: - Not only I don't have ads in my results, but they are customized and sanitized based on my settings, since I can block some websites, put a better ranking on others... or even use lenses if I want to use a very precise scope - With Assistant I have access to (almost) all the most recent and popular models, I can easily switch, even inside a thread, so I don't need to have an account (and a subscription) at OpenAI, Anthropic... They are immediately available in a single web interface (and soon in CLI) - Bangs are not new, but with Kagi I can create my owns, and they are well implemented within the Kagi _universe_, so I even have custom bangs to start a chat with Assistant with specific models (ex: typing "!cl" will start a chat with Assistant using Claude) And overall, what's make everything better is that I only need to setup the Kagi extension, and then all my settings are shared between my devices. My custom Kagi style is automatically shared. My search settings are automatically shared. My Assistant threads are automatically shared. My custom bangs are automatically shared. As soon as I setup the Kagi extension, I have the same great Kagi experience! Regarding Orion, I use it on my iPhone since it provides better performances than Firefox and Kagi works great in it. But on computers I still use Firefox because I have more expectations, I'm not only on MacOS and, to be honest, I haven't found the experience that great; mostly because I'm not a fan of the UI.

uncircle 1y ago

Mine looks slightly similar: my top result is the Wikipedia page for Midjourney. I've pinned all results from wikipedia.org, which is a killer feature and why I'm paying for Kagi, instead of giving away my data for free to Google.