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Why? Having a driver's license is a privilege that requires you to study and know the rules of the road. The onus is on you to know the rules.

by whakim 1y ago

jfim 1y ago
There are also international tourists who may have different local parking rules than the ones in SF. Having clear demarcations between allowed and non allowed parking areas makes it easier for everyone to follow the correct rules.
adolph 1y ago
Do you have an rss feed of road rules piped into Anki cards or what? Or just maybe "driver's license is a privilege that requires you to study and know the rules of the road" is a fallacious claim that rests on pedantic legal formalism and an impoverished sense of human psychology.
- izacus 1y ago
  How bizarre, this rule is enforced across most of EU without signage and somehow most people cope. Why wouldn't Americans?
  - adolph 1y ago
    It isn't bizarre that rules and practice vary widely in different cultural contexts. Even your claim is caveated as "most of EU," recognizing that it might not be the same in all places. In many places in the US, there is a culture of legibility, whereby informational affordances are relevantly and generously provisioned. This allows for more certainty for both facility users and rule enforcers. On the flip side, there are a lot of signs all over the place.
- whakim 1y ago
  No, I don't; there are plenty of places you can't legally park that do not have painted curbs or "No Parking" signage. Do we also need curbs and signage near every fire hydrant? How about every driveway? Can drivers double-park anywhere they want? Should they yield to pedestrians in crosswalks? Etc. etc.
  - adolph 1y ago
    Reviewing the thread, the context is newly enforcing something that might not be illegal in all jurisdictions. Citing different contexts where signage is not always used doesn't change the fact that the discussion focuses on change in common practice in a specific context. In fact, I observe plenty of signage for fire hydrants and driveways in places where people commonly make parking errors. The question still stands. How do you ensure you detect changes rules of the road in order to maintain your privilege? >>>>>>> Where I live, many people park at intersections right up to the curb >>>>>> This is now illegal in some states >>>>> It's illegal in California but in San Francisco official policy is to not enforce this law. >>>>> If there's no red paint on the curb, they won't ticket you. >>>> It was ridiculous that they were originally proposing ticketing people without there being signage that it was illegal to park there. >>> Why? Having a driver's license is a privilege that requires you to study and know the rules of the road. >> Do you have an rss feed of road rules piped into Anki cards or what? > No, I don't; there are plenty of places you can't legally park that do not have painted curbs or "No Parking" signage.
    - whakim 1y ago
      You enforce them; if I get a ticket for parking at an intersection, I won't do it again! (Also, in the specific context of this discussion, parking restrictions near intersections are super common; this is not some esoteric new law that has been introduced. See https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-documents/2024/01 https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-docume...)
      - adolph 1y ago
        Your claim was formerly "Having a driver's license is a privilege that requires you to study and know the rules of the road." Your claim is now tickets are the loss function for building one's road rule model? What happened to the requirement for study?
    - rahimnathwani 1y ago
      In San Francisco, they publicized the new laws in two ways: 1. Media campaigns (posters, PR etc.). 2. A multi-month period last year during which they issues 'warning' tickets (with nothing for the driver to pay).

Why? Having a driver's license is a privilege that requires you to study and know the rules of the road. The onus is on you to know the rules.

by whakim 1y ago

Why? Having a driver's license is a privilege that requires you to study and know the rules of the road. The onus is on you to know the rules.

jfim 1y ago

There are also international tourists who may have different local parking rules than the ones in SF. Having clear demarcations between allowed and non allowed parking areas makes it easier for everyone to follow the correct rules.

adolph 1y ago

Do you have an rss feed of road rules piped into Anki cards or what? Or just maybe "driver's license is a privilege that requires you to study and know the rules of the road" is a fallacious claim that rests on pedantic legal formalism and an impoverished sense of human psychology.

izacus 1y ago
How bizarre, this rule is enforced across most of EU without signage and somehow most people cope. Why wouldn't Americans?
- adolph 1y ago
  It isn't bizarre that rules and practice vary widely in different cultural contexts. Even your claim is caveated as "most of EU," recognizing that it might not be the same in all places. In many places in the US, there is a culture of legibility, whereby informational affordances are relevantly and generously provisioned. This allows for more certainty for both facility users and rule enforcers. On the flip side, there are a lot of signs all over the place.
whakim 1y ago
No, I don't; there are plenty of places you can't legally park that do not have painted curbs or "No Parking" signage. Do we also need curbs and signage near every fire hydrant? How about every driveway? Can drivers double-park anywhere they want? Should they yield to pedestrians in crosswalks? Etc. etc.
- adolph 1y ago
  Reviewing the thread, the context is newly enforcing something that might not be illegal in all jurisdictions. Citing different contexts where signage is not always used doesn't change the fact that the discussion focuses on change in common practice in a specific context. In fact, I observe plenty of signage for fire hydrants and driveways in places where people commonly make parking errors. The question still stands. How do you ensure you detect changes rules of the road in order to maintain your privilege? >>>>>>> Where I live, many people park at intersections right up to the curb >>>>>> This is now illegal in some states >>>>> It's illegal in California but in San Francisco official policy is to not enforce this law. >>>>> If there's no red paint on the curb, they won't ticket you. >>>> It was ridiculous that they were originally proposing ticketing people without there being signage that it was illegal to park there. >>> Why? Having a driver's license is a privilege that requires you to study and know the rules of the road. >> Do you have an rss feed of road rules piped into Anki cards or what? > No, I don't; there are plenty of places you can't legally park that do not have painted curbs or "No Parking" signage.
  - whakim 1y ago
    You enforce them; if I get a ticket for parking at an intersection, I won't do it again! (Also, in the specific context of this discussion, parking restrictions near intersections are super common; this is not some esoteric new law that has been introduced. See https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-documents/2024/01 https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-docume...)
    - adolph 1y ago
      Your claim was formerly "Having a driver's license is a privilege that requires you to study and know the rules of the road." Your claim is now tickets are the loss function for building one's road rule model? What happened to the requirement for study?
  - rahimnathwani 1y ago
    In San Francisco, they publicized the new laws in two ways: 1. Media campaigns (posters, PR etc.). 2. A multi-month period last year during which they issues 'warning' tickets (with nothing for the driver to pay).