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I’m also living a 15h flight away from my country/culture/people and I never felt the need for money to make up for it. Sounds like you just value money? Also

by mcntsh 1y ago

I’m also living a 15h flight away from my country/culture/people and I never felt the need for money to make up for it. Sounds like you just value money? Also Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam et all are large, diverse metropolises. Not sure where the idea comes from that you wouldn’t be able to find your tribe or your cuisine in these cities.

alephnerd 1y ago
> Also Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam et all are large, diverse metropolises. Not sure where the idea comes from that you wouldn’t be able to find your tribe or your cuisine in these cities. Because they do not. The only European country with a large Indian diaspora is the UK, and that disaspora is overwhelmingly just Gujarati and Punjabi. Same for overseas Chinese and the Korean diaspora as well. What worked for you is good for you, but the culture shift for someone from much of Asia to the EU is severe compared to the US where Asian immigration has been the norm for over a century. > Sounds like you just value money? Why leave India or China to earn a €70k salary when you can demand the same in Hyderabad or Hangzhou? Why move from Palo Alto to Paris, when you can move back to Pune or Pudong and earn the exact same, while also not facing culture shock and being close to family. Also, having to become fluent in a French or German or Dutch or some other European language that isn't English is a severe blocker in much of Asia - where English is prioritized.
- mcntsh 1y ago
  Because Europe offers clean safe cities and good WLB? Again you’re just looking at it from the angle of money… If all you want is to be in a big Indian diaspora and make a lot of money then I guess California is a good fit for you. Glad you like it!
  - alephnerd 1y ago
    > Because Europe offers clean safe cities and good WLB So does Australia and New Zealand. And you are much closer to family as a result and in a countries where Asians are well represented and with the added bonus that they are Anglophone countries so no need to learn German, French, or some other European language that isn't English. Look, Germany is a good country, but it legitimately isn't enticing for the kind of Indian or Chinese national who came to the US on a work visa. > If all you want is to be in a big Indian diaspora and make a lot of money then I guess California is a good fit for you. Glad you like it That's what most diasporas want. Look at the statistics of where the Indian, Chinese, and Korean diaspora are clustered. Amongst western countries it's overwhelmingly North America, Australia, and the UK > then I guess California is a good fit for you It is. I've been here since I was 1 years old when my parents were part of the initial work visa expansion in the 90s which brought tens of thousands of us Indian, Chinese, and Korean Americans to the US. If I were to leave, I'd probably go to Singapore because I can take advantage of Asian dealflow while remaining in an Anglophone country where we are overrepresented.
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    - mcntsh 1y ago
      I think if someone forfeits stability for money then that's their choice. I personally think that's an extremely strange one to make, but I'm one of those people who left the US for more stability, safety, so maybe I'm biased.
      - alephnerd 1y ago
        I really don't know why are you are getting so worked up about this. At a macro level, the majority of Asian diasporas in the Western world are in North America, Australia, the UK, and New Zealand. All I'm saying is for the majority of Asians, mainland Europe just doesn't have the same pull factor that the Anglophone has because we have never had a significant population in Europe. It's the same way a management consultant with roots in Turkiye or Morocco will be biased to work in Frankfurt instead of NY simply because there's a massive pre-existing community no matter where you go in Germany and they will be close to family in Turkiye.
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yorwba 1y ago
Yeah, in June 2024, there were 37 120 Indian citizens in Berlin, https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/60c6e60ee054ca04/41d999cf9fd4/SB_A01-05-00_2024h01_BE.pdf https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/60c6e60ee05... and in June 2025 already 45 189, https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/ec90088784595c22/bee037711ba4/SB_A01-05-00_2025h01_BE.pdf https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/ec900887845... about 1.2% of the total population. Clearly they found it enticing enough.
- alephnerd 1y ago
  Most Indians in Germany are primarily from Maharashtra or Punjab. And those numbers are minuscule compared to the diaspora in the UK, let alone Australia, New Zealand, and Canada which are all much more friendly to Asians than Europe.

by mcntsh 1y ago

alephnerd 1y ago

> Also Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam et all are large, diverse metropolises. Not sure where the idea comes from that you wouldn’t be able to find your tribe or your cuisine in these cities. Because they do not. The only European country with a large Indian diaspora is the UK, and that disaspora is overwhelmingly just Gujarati and Punjabi. Same for overseas Chinese and the Korean diaspora as well. What worked for you is good for you, but the culture shift for someone from much of Asia to the EU is severe compared to the US where Asian immigration has been the norm for over a century. > Sounds like you just value money? Why leave India or China to earn a €70k salary when you can demand the same in Hyderabad or Hangzhou? Why move from Palo Alto to Paris, when you can move back to Pune or Pudong and earn the exact same, while also not facing culture shock and being close to family. Also, having to become fluent in a French or German or Dutch or some other European language that isn't English is a severe blocker in much of Asia - where English is prioritized.

mcntsh 1y ago
Because Europe offers clean safe cities and good WLB? Again you’re just looking at it from the angle of money… If all you want is to be in a big Indian diaspora and make a lot of money then I guess California is a good fit for you. Glad you like it!
- alephnerd 1y ago
  > Because Europe offers clean safe cities and good WLB So does Australia and New Zealand. And you are much closer to family as a result and in a countries where Asians are well represented and with the added bonus that they are Anglophone countries so no need to learn German, French, or some other European language that isn't English. Look, Germany is a good country, but it legitimately isn't enticing for the kind of Indian or Chinese national who came to the US on a work visa. > If all you want is to be in a big Indian diaspora and make a lot of money then I guess California is a good fit for you. Glad you like it That's what most diasporas want. Look at the statistics of where the Indian, Chinese, and Korean diaspora are clustered. Amongst western countries it's overwhelmingly North America, Australia, and the UK > then I guess California is a good fit for you It is. I've been here since I was 1 years old when my parents were part of the initial work visa expansion in the 90s which brought tens of thousands of us Indian, Chinese, and Korean Americans to the US. If I were to leave, I'd probably go to Singapore because I can take advantage of Asian dealflow while remaining in an Anglophone country where we are overrepresented.
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  - mcntsh 1y ago
    I think if someone forfeits stability for money then that's their choice. I personally think that's an extremely strange one to make, but I'm one of those people who left the US for more stability, safety, so maybe I'm biased.
    - alephnerd 1y ago
      I really don't know why are you are getting so worked up about this. At a macro level, the majority of Asian diasporas in the Western world are in North America, Australia, the UK, and New Zealand. All I'm saying is for the majority of Asians, mainland Europe just doesn't have the same pull factor that the Anglophone has because we have never had a significant population in Europe. It's the same way a management consultant with roots in Turkiye or Morocco will be biased to work in Frankfurt instead of NY simply because there's a massive pre-existing community no matter where you go in Germany and they will be close to family in Turkiye.
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yorwba 1y ago

Yeah, in June 2024, there were 37 120 Indian citizens in Berlin, https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/60c6e60ee054ca04/41d999cf9fd4/SB_A01-05-00_2024h01_BE.pdf https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/60c6e60ee05... and in June 2025 already 45 189, https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/ec90088784595c22/bee037711ba4/SB_A01-05-00_2025h01_BE.pdf https://download.statistik-berlin-brandenburg.de/ec900887845... about 1.2% of the total population. Clearly they found it enticing enough.

alephnerd 1y ago
Most Indians in Germany are primarily from Maharashtra or Punjab. And those numbers are minuscule compared to the diaspora in the UK, let alone Australia, New Zealand, and Canada which are all much more friendly to Asians than Europe.